Theocons and torture

[fastpat]

Theocons and torture
Posted by Norman Singleton at October 12, 2006 08:14 PM

Mark Shea refutes the "Theocons" claim that once can be both a good Catholic and a supporter of torture. Here is a sample of Shea's work thanks to the "Southern Appeal" blog:

"My concern, in writing the “Toying with Evil” piece was to say that, for Catholics, it is forbidden to do evil that good may come of it. This elementary moral teaching is what undergirds Paul’s thinking in Romans 3:8 and it remains an elementary teaching today. And that means, when the Church says “X is intrinsically immoral” our job as Catholics is to see that we bloody well do not make excuses for X.

In short, when the Church says “This is evil” the mind docile to the Church’s teaching says, “Okay, how do I avoid that evil?” The mind looking for legalistic loopholes and a Minimum Daily Adult Requirement standard of obedience says, “Okay, then how do I tiptoe right up to the line of doing evil, but not step over it? How do I figure out a way to say the Church isn’t really saying what it is obviously saying?” It is a question asked by randy teenagers, children trying to steal from cookie jars, and people attempting to figure out just how much suffering they can inflict on somebody before it technically is called torture, or people trying to figure out a way to prove that the Church can’t really have said that torture is intrinsically immoral. It is not a question asked by people who are want to know “How do we treat our prisoner justly and humanely?”
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In short, sin has consequences and virtue has actual rewards. Deliberately embracing what the Church warns is an intrinsic moral evil, particularly when you’ve been warned repeatedly that it is, indeed, an intrinsic moral evil has heavier consequences. That’s not me talking. That’s Christ. The servant who does not know his master’s will and does not do it will be beaten with few blows. The servant who knows his master’s will and does not do it will be beaten with many blows. The larger culture may not know that torture is wrong anymore, blinded as it is by the dictatorship of relativism and Bush agitprop for torture. But we Catholics have no excuse. Nor do we have an excuse for disobey the demand of the Church that prisoners be treated humanely. All we have is the assurance of Christ that if we try to obey him, we shall be rewarded. I don’t know if we will be rewarded in this life. The fear of course, is that we shall doom ourselves to extinction if we do not become as brutal as our enemy. But I cannot avoid the conviction that this is a lie of the Enemy of our souls and that God will hardly permit the extermination of the Church that is trying to obey him. But whether we lose or win temporally, I believe we shall surely win eternally if we try to obey him in this life. And that means, as a bare minimum, treating prisoners humanely."
http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/011525.html#more

[cowtown]

Your alacrity with the Copy & Paste function is surpassed only by your good looks and charm.




For God's sake, man, get an original thought in your head.

[cowtown]

Cultist.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by cowtown
Your alacrity with the Copy & Paste function is surpassed only by your good looks and charm.




For God's sake, man, get an original thought in your head.

Please either contribute to the discussion, or read and sit quietly.

[cowtown]

Originally posted by fastpat
Please either contribute to the discussion, or read and sit quietly.

Here's my contribution:

I spent 3 seconds clicking on the link that reads:

"This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [here]"

And what did I get?

More Lew Rockwell tripe.

I want my three seconds back!

[widebody911]

Mark Shea refutes the "Theocons" claim that once can be both a good Catholic and a supporter of torture.

Bring out the comfy chair!

[cowtown]

No one can resist the comfy chair!

[widebody911]

Our chief weapons are fear, surprise, and a fanatical devotion the pope!

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by fastpat
Please either contribute to the discussion, or read and sit quietly.

my contribution: this thread is the suck.

[hunter914]

Originally posted by Eric 951
my contribution: this thread is the suck.

You're Mark Foley?

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by hunter914
You're Mark Foley?

yes.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Eric 951
my contribution: this thread is the suck.

The reason that you hear a sucking sound is that your ears are so close to your mouth, Eric.

[hunter914]

Originally posted by Eric 951
yes.

ewwwwwwwww. zip up man!

so is it the tender skin, the innocence, the... what is it about young boys that turns you on?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by hunter914
ewwwwwwwww. zip up man!

so is it the tender skin, the innocence, the... what is it about young boys that turns you on?

He's apparently into torture, better watch out young man. He'll make you into a lampshade.

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by fastpat
The reason that you hear a sucking sound is that your ears are so close to your mouth, Eric.

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your wit is as sharp as your insights.

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by hunter914
ewwwwwwwww. zip up man!

so is it the tender skin, the innocence, the... what is it about young boys that turns you on?

Are you hitting on me?

*kisses*

[hunter914]

Originally posted by Eric 951
Are you hitting on me?

*kisses*

when you say "hitting," does that include black leather, ball gags, etc.? If so, no.

Or perhaps torture is your thing. Still no, sorry.

actually, it would be no across the board.

Once again though, ZIP UP MAN!!!!!

[sammyg2]

[Moneyguy1]

Mel Brooks (dressed as a Cardinal with wingtips):

"The Inquisition, here we go,
The Inquisition, what a show........."

[cowtown]

Originally posted by sammyg2

That graphic cracks me up every time.