Girl's MySpace post alarms Secret Service

[kach22i]

Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Wilson posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president.

Maybe the S.S. agents were Muslim over reacting to a cartoon?

Must of been a slow day at the office, and someone said; Hey remember that image that 14 year old removed from the Internet this summer? It's a slow day, wanna see if she's hot?

I bet they were a bunch of perverts getting off on a power trip dominating a 14 year old girl, and from what I read alone in a room with her.

Sick bastards, they should lose their jobs for this.

Outragous.

The full story below...........................................


Girl's MySpace post alarms Secret Service
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/12897414p-13556990c.html
14-year-old pulled out of class for questioning about anti-Bush writing

By LAUREL ROSENHALLand RYAN LILLIS
THE SACRAMENTO BEE
Last Updated: October 14, 2006, 05:43:16 AM PDT

SACRAMENTO — The latest Sacramento resident to be questioned by federal agents for threatening President Bush is a 14-year-old girl with a heart on her backpack and braces on her teeth, a freckle-nosed adolescent who is passionate about liberal politics and cute movie stars.

Her name is Julia Wilson, and she learned a vivid civics lesson Wednesday when two Secret Service agents pulled her out of biology class to ask about comments and images she posted on MySpace.

Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Wilson posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president. It was one of a few images Wilson said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace, the social networking Web site that is hugely popular among teenagers.

The Secret Service refused to answer questions about the case or even confirm there is an investigation. Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said the agency does not discuss its work "due to the sensitivity of our mission."

But Wilson's mother, Kirstie Wilson, and an assistant principal at McClatchy High School said two agents showed them badges stating they were with the Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security.

Federal law prohibits making true threats against the president, and Julia and her parents say what she did was wrong.

The couple are disturbed, however, that federal agents questioned a child at school — without her parents present. And First Amendment lawyers question whether the Secret Service overreacted to a 14-year-old's comments on a Web site made for casual socializing.

"I don't condone what she did but it seems a little over the top to me," said Julia's father, Jim Moose. "You'd think they could look at the situation and determine that she's not a credible threat."

Agents first went to home

Here is how Julia Wilson's family tells their story: Two Secret Service agents arrived at their home around 2:30 Wednesday afternoon, Kirstie Wilson said. They told her they wanted to speak with her daughter about threats to the president that she had posted on MySpace.

"She was in molecular biology and I said I really didn't want to take her out of class for this," Kirstie Wilson said. "I said I'd make sure she came right home from school."

She asked the agents to come back in an hour, and they left.

Then Wilson sent her daughter a text message instructing her to come straight home from school.

"…there are two men from the secret service that want to talk with you. Apparently you made some death threats against president bush. Dont worry youre not going to jail or anything like that but they take these things very seriously these days," Kirstie Wilson wrote.

"Are you serious!?!? omg. Am I in a lot of trouble?" her daughter replied, using common text message shorthand for "Oh my god."

Kirstie Wilson called her husband. While they were on the phone, she received another text message from her daughter: "They took me out of class."

It was a 15-to-20-minute interview, Julia said. Agents asked her about her father's job, her e-mail address and her Social Security number. They asked about the MySpace page she had created last year as an eighth-grader at Sutter Middle School.

"I told them I just really don't agree with Bush's politics," Julia said Thursday. "I don't have any plans of harming Bush in any way. I'm very peaceful, I just don't like Bush."

The MySpace page in question was a group page, similar to an online club.

Most of the groups Julia is a part of are fan clubs for movie stars such as Jake Gyllenhaal and Ewan McGregor. The group that got her in trouble was called something like "People who want to stab Bush" — Julia said she doesn't remember the exact name because she soon changed it.

After an eighth-grade history lesson in which she learned that threatening the president is against the law, Julia said she changed the group name to "So Bush is an idiot but hey what else is new?"

Parents say they were unaware

The group primarily consisted of her teenage friends who share her liberal political interests, Julia said. She deleted the group page over the summer when she decided MySpace was juvenile and taking up too much time.

Moose and Wilson said they had no idea what their daughter had posted online.

"I was more than happy to have them talk to her about the severity of what she did. But I wanted to be here with her," Kirstie Wilson said.

Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, said Julia Wilson's post did not sound like a "true threat" to the president, making it political speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

"The courts have to distinguish between political rhetoric and hyperbole and a real threat," Brick said. "A reasonable person would have to interpret what was said as indication of a serious intent to commit harm."

Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition, said in the current political climate, "the threshold that brings (agents) in has gotten lower."

"It's a cautionary tale for kids who are on MySpace that putting something on MySpace like 'Kill the President' is not the same as saying it on e-mail or over the phone," Scheer said. "The government is not systematically listening to all phone calls or going through e-mails, but it probably does search the Internet."

[fastpat]

I think it's interesting that they picked the sociofascist institution she attends to question her, so that no personal advocate could or would know about it in advance.

Sue the school for allowing US government thugs access to a student without prior parental knowledge, consent, or an attorney present.

[kach22i]

Question her at home with one or more parents, or intimidate a 14 year old alone.?

They hate us for our freedoms.

Yea, that's it.

katchi, you have just redefined the modern idiot. We all know that you would love to see the President murdered, but, what the little bimbo did was just stupid and irresponsible. Maybe you overlooked this part:

"Federal law prohibits making true threats against the president"

Your accusataions about the agents are as reprehensible and idiotic as the bimbo misdeeds.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
katchi, you have just redefined the modern idiot. We all know that you would love to see the President murdered, but, what the little bimbo did was just stupid and irresponsible. Maybe you overlooked this part:

"Federal law prohibits making true threats against the president"

Your accusataions about the agents are as reprehensible and idiotic as the bimbo misdeeds.

Islamic law says (somehow) you can't make cartoons of Mohammad (turban bomb).

Bush law says, you can't make cartoonish photo-collage of the president (knife thru hand).

"Federal law prohibits making true threats against the president" ........................it was obviously a political comment protected under the Freedom of Speech.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
katchi, you have just redefined the modern idiot. We all know that you would love to see the President murdered, but, what the little bimbo did was just stupid and irresponsible. Maybe you overlooked this part:

"Federal law prohibits making true threats against the president"

Your accusataions about the agents are as reprehensible and idiotic as the bimbo misdeeds.

No, actually, one who advocates the US government police state is readily the most deplorable person in this thread, and that is (so far) you, Mr. Wilson.

So, you both support the right of anyone to threaten the Presidents life in a public forum. That's the only deplorable thing in this thread. I don't support many things President Bush has done, but I do support the investigations of stupid threats to national security.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
So, you both support the right of anyone to threaten the Presidents life in a public forum. That's the only deplorable thing in this thread. I don't support many things President Bush has done, but I do support the investigations of stupid threats to national security.

And I support the freedom of speech as written in the Constitution, you know, the one that says "congress shall make no law...".

There are no exceptions.

[widgeon13]

Perhaps she learned a lesson that things of this nature will not be taken lightly regardless of who you are and where you post.

I suppose if it was just a threat to shoot some kid in a school and it was on my space and the school was in your town and your kid went to that school, you would feel the same way.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
but I do support the investigations of stupid threats to national security.

Then you are stupid to support stupid.

I'm for investigating non-stupid threats.

Waste of tax payers money at the very least, a bunch of power hungry perverts picking on a 14 year old girl and violating the first right in the Bill of Rights at its worse.

[Flatbutt1]

I wonder if the agents would have been as quick to try that with an educated adult rather than an easily intimidated child.

Further, IMO this serves to demonstrate just how much closer to a police state we are. These guys actually have the time to read MySpace? I hope that they are paying as much attention to the other "real threats" to the USA.

Originally posted by fastpat
And I support the freedom of speech as written in the Constitution, you know, the one that says "congress shall make no law...".

There are no exceptions.

Pat, you are free to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater as long as you are willing to accept the legal consequenses of causing riot.

[Nathans_Dad]

Threatening to assassinate the President in public is against the law. Patsy might have a few callers if the Secret Service ever visited PPOT. It's the same thing as saying you have a bomb while waiting in line for an airplane. Sorry that this girl got a visit, but maybe she should be a little more responsible in what she posts on the internet. I see it kinda like allowing your kid to sit in the back of a police car when they are caught shoplifting, etc. Sometimes lessons are hard to learn.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Threatening to assassinate the President in public is against the law. Patsy might have a few callers if the Secret Service ever visited PPOT. It's the same thing as saying you have a bomb while waiting in line for an airplane. Sorry that this girl got a visit, but maybe she should be a little more responsible in what she posts on the internet. I see it kinda like allowing your kid to sit in the back of a police car when they are caught shoplifting, etc. Sometimes lessons are hard to learn.

That sounded better in the original German.

[rcecale]

Originally posted by fastpat
That sounded better in the original German.

Spoken like a true nazi.

Randy

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
Pat, you are free to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater as long as you are willing to accept the legal consequenses of causing riot.

What the young woman did is host an anti-Bush web site. She did not say, in any way, that she thought Bush should be killed.

In a sense, she wrote that she thought people ought to yell fire in a crowded theater (since there is a fire) and discuss the same, to use that nearly always misused example.

The old saw, "fire in a crowded theater" comes from a specific US Supreme Court Justice who voted to uphold the conviction of people who advocated avoiding the draft and passed out leaflets in that regard and were charged during the Wilson regime during World War One. The draft, which was illegal, should have been avoided. As you can see, and now know, it's not appropriate most of the time, and of course the precedent has long since been reversed.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by rcecale
Spoken like a true nazi.

Randy

Yes, Randy, you're quite NAZI-like, but your uniform doesn't look as spiffy.

Do you sleep in your jarhead hat?

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
katchi, you have just redefined the modern idiot. We all know that you would love to see the President murdered, but, what the little bimbo did was just stupid and irresponsible. Maybe you overlooked this part:

"Federal law prohibits making true threats against the president"

Your accusataions about the agents are as reprehensible and idiotic as the bimbo misdeeds.

you're so smart, buddy. i'm sure that 14 year old girl has the means to murder the president.

perhaps they should go after all the thousands of people out there who make similar threats.

btw, what makes the presidents life more valuable than anyone else's? does he hold the cure for cancer?
he's been a disgrace, useless and worthless, a disaster for the american and Iraqi people abroad.

he is just 1 man among millions, and a f'ing idiot.

Originally posted by fastpat
What the young woman did is host an anti-Bush web site. She did not say, in any way, that she thought Bush should be killed.

From the article:

"Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Wilson posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president. It was one of a few images Wilson said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace"

[rcecale]

Originally posted by fastpat
Yes, Randy, you're quite NAZI-like, but your uniform doesn't look as spiffy.

Do you sleep in your jarhead hat?

Nice response, dickhead. You make no sense at all, just like everything else you have to say.

"I know you are, what am I?" You're really quite the tool.

Randy