Originally posted by Howard Agency
I was referring to DRIVING time, not 'journey' time. And western US/Canada, not Europe. I believe PB meant the same.



You're struggling!


Isa, if you were arrested in customs and spent a night in jail on your trip from Milano to Luzern it would skew your 'journey' time. And with the exception of the autostrada portion, a far different driving scenario. Agreed?


In my journey planning I typically allow for stops and traffic. I don't usually feel the need to plan for arrests and being held overnight in jail

Using Yahoo mapping software, here is my trip. Yahoo estimates the distance in miles as 752.7 and the driving time (including normal stops and slows in traffic) as 10:33. That does not include lunch, fuel, or overnight stops. BTW, I used similar software to map and time and distance for the Milano/Luzern trip.

Here again is the GPS read. Pretty close, considering our Hotel was about 5 miles closer to home than the middle of Moab. I only beat the estimate by 10 minutes. Still impossible??

I have never said impossible. I can also manage good journey times. However, when I talk about average speed on a journey like most people I am referring to the journey time, otherwise I qualify my statement.



As an aside, please post on your trip to Tuscany, and if you try the chianina I would love to know how you think it compares to a good t-bone.

Originally posted by Purrybonker
Wow, it's interesting how so much umbrage ('till now I even thought that umbrage was just a sleepy little town in Italy) seems to be being taken over my average speed statements - and europeans being the loudest to claim foul! I'm really suprised!:eek:

Why the surprise? You post a claim of 5000 miles at an average of 70, then eventually come clean that it didn't include stops and that even stops in traffic after a period are excluded.

I assume that the tipping point for you in finding the claims made by Howard and myself distasteful is that the GPS excludes times when the vehicle is completely stopped. But that really goes to my original point which is the observation that American drivers drive fast and quick - as evidenced by an average speed of 70+mph over a 5000 mile trip. My remarks were about how fast they drove, not how long they stopped.

The speed of US drivers in this context is completely disconnected from how much time I may or may not have sat at red lights or stop signs or hoisting beers in pubs. Maybe I'll start a separate thread about how long or short red lights are in the US vs. Canada after my next trip south of the border. As a matter of interest though, I'd bet that I stopped at no more than a couple of dozen traffic lights on my entire 5000+ mile trip. Such is life in the wild, wild west Isabo.

My comments have/had nothing to do with the time spent getting from point "A" to point "B", but speak to the quality of the drive (ie. speed/courtesy/quickness). When I'm on holiday, I try not to care about how long it takes me to get from one place to the other - but I'll always care about how quickly I'm doing it. (well, except for that time in a 993 going from Bratislava to Praha that I never wanted to end)

I am happy you enjoyed your drive and your holiday.

Sheesh, I thought that the "driving quality" theme would be near and dear to the hearts of most europeans.

Driving Quality? If you say so.

Yes, that must be it.

Why Isabo, you are just teasing us, aren't you?

I am afraid I am not teasing. I have just scanned this thread from the beginning and I just seem to be repeating myself to no avail. I see no point in bothering with it any longer. As everyone has enjoyed their drives and is individually content with their calculation of averages and the quality of their drives, I intend to end my participation on that point.


Exactly so Howard.

Most importantly, Isa, is that you in your avatar picture? I've been having fantasies about how long I could make the trip last. I'll show you struggling.
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