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jorian 10-19-2006 03:14 PM

Habeas Corpus
 
Who needs it anyway? Apparently GWB finds it a nuisance.

"The writ of habeas corpus in common law countries is an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action."

I guess if you want to catch terrorists you gotta act like one.

Superman 10-19-2006 03:37 PM

Yes, this "conservative" president is busy giving as much power and control to the government as he can before he leaves office.

fastpat 10-19-2006 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Superman
Yes, this "conservative" president is busy giving as much power and control to the government as he can before he leaves office.
Statement by a statist aside. Habeus corpus was ended by Lincoln and the Lincoln cultist have justified Bush II's ending it as well.

In fact, they've justified Bush II doing many of the unConstitutional acts Lincoln engaged in.

RoninLB 10-19-2006 04:29 PM

Dam shame that Congress and the President took control of war policy and power from the judiciary. Dem or Rep doesn't matter. The judiciary lost its power grab over WW2 precedents.

The Far Left and the ACLU must be depressed that the Supreme Court lost control of terrorist policy. Even the mass media using it as a vehicle to create Rep infighting failed.

Screw judicial supremacy, power to the people.



before slamming me don't forget to read the NY Times for your talking points.

fastpat 10-19-2006 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoninLB
Dam shame that Congress and the President took control of war policy and power from the judiciary. Dem or Rep doesn't matter. The judiciary lost its power grab over WW2 precedents.

The Far Left and the ACLU must be depressed that the Supreme Court lost control of terrorist policy. Even the mass media using it as a vehicle to create Rep infighting failed.

Screw judicial supremacy, power to the people.



before slamming me don't forget to read the NY Times for your talking points.

Yes, and it's very good that most of the American citizenry are armed.

And will resist this tyranny.

You really haven't thought this out thoroughly have you?

RoninLB 10-19-2006 04:39 PM

"Yes, and it's very good that most of the American citizenry are armed.

And will resist this tyranny.

You really haven't thought this out thoroughly have you?"


meaning if you are at war with the US you'd better have your act together instead of an ACLU lawyer ?

jorian 10-19-2006 05:05 PM

It seems like the US is at war with its citizens.

RoninLB 10-19-2006 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by jorian
It seems like the US is at war with its citizens.

that's interesting. I missed the memo. Please explain or give an example if that's no feasible.. ok.


If you have to use mass media as your opinion leader forget the whole thing.

thx

Rodeo 10-19-2006 05:19 PM

I was gonna comment, but I see the guy who can't seem to type a post without the letters A C L U is here making his usual sense.

There's a pretty good thread on "Torture Law" that goes over this ground pretty throughly. Its shameful, 800 years of jurisprudence out the window with a single pen stroke. And no one seems to care.

fastpat 10-19-2006 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jorian
It seems like the US is at war with its citizens.
Yes, that's correct. That's been correct for 140+ years.

fastpat 10-19-2006 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoninLB
that's interesting. I missed the memo. Please explain or give an example if that's no feasible.. ok.
The PATRIOT ACT.


Quote:

If you have to use mass media as your opinion leader forget the whole thing.

thx
You must be kidding.

jorian 10-19-2006 05:25 PM

"Please explain or give an example..."

Uhhh... thought that was obvious. Remember the first post? Getting rid of Habeus Corpus? Bueller? Anyone?

fastpat 10-19-2006 05:27 PM

The US Supreme Court ruled in 1866 that the executive branch could not suspend the writ of habeas corpus as long as any US court was sitting.

RoninLB 10-19-2006 05:39 PM

The courts have been stripped of habeas corpus jurisdiction over enemy combatants.


Then again unless you believe in judicial control !

Rodeo 10-19-2006 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
The courts have been stripped of habeas corpus jurisdiction over enemy combatants.


Then again unless you believe in judicial control !


Am I the only one, or does this guy make absolutely no sense? :confused:

RoninLB 10-19-2006 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rodeo
Am I the only one, or does this guy make absolutely no sense? :confused:
what happened?

your judicial attitude got scrambled ?

Don't worry I'm sure Columbia U will be having a protest soon. Don't miss it for your own dose of reality.

Rodeo 10-19-2006 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoninLB
what happened?

your judicial attitude got scrambled ?

Don't worry I'm sure Columbia U will be having a protest soon. Don't miss it for your own dose of reality.

:eek:

jorian 10-19-2006 06:48 PM

I'm surprised there isn't more outrage about the suspension of HCorpus. Guess people are too apathetic or they buy into the arguement that if you've nothing to hide, abridging freedoms is OK.

dafischer 10-19-2006 06:53 PM

The term "Sheeple" seems to fit these days.

Rodeo 10-19-2006 06:55 PM

It's pretty discouraging. :(


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