"Unproven" yes (& no statement to the contrary).

Denied yes (& Fox never would lie would he? - insert politically low blow - comparison to his daytime job).

"Unfounded" Hardly.

Anyway, still doesn't address the meat of my posts. This is completely tangential to the direction of (at least my) posts. If you want to argue this particular point about this particular ad.....

nostatic,

I guess since you have no credible position on the substance of this debate you must try to establish that I am not an expert on stem cell research.

Let me help you: I'm not. But I can offer an opinion based on what I have read in some very authoritative, and non political I might add, medical journals.

Make your point rather than trying to kill the messenger every time you don't like what they post.

Did not MJF say two days ago that he took too much medication which caused those "sways"?

I'll look for the link.

He also said no one in their right mind would do anything purposely, apparently it's very painful.

Here is Fox's quote from a couple days ago.

"FOX: The symptoms that I had in the ad that I did, that's called dyskinesia, and that's actually from too much medication. "

I didn't say he did.

Anyway, what show was that on? I only find the quotes. Was it sawyer?

FOX: Well, actually, I've been erring on the side of caution--I think 'erring' is actually the right word--in that I've been medicating perhaps too much, in the sense that a lot of times the symptoms that people see in some of these interviews that have been on are actually dyskinesia, which is a reaction to the medication. Because if I were purely symptomatic with Parkinson's symptoms, a lot of times speaking is difficult. There's a kind of a cluttering of speech and it's very difficult to sit still, to sit in one place. You know, the symptoms are different, so I'd rather kind of suffer the symptoms of dyskinesia. . .this kind of weaving and this kind of continuous thing is much preferable, actually, than pure Parkinson's symptoms. So that's what I generally do. . . . . .So I haven't had any, you know, problems with pure Parkinson's symptoms in any of these interviews, because I'll tend to just make sure that I have enough Sinemet in my system and, in some cases, too much. But to me, it's preferable. It's not representative of what I'm like in my everyday life. I get a lot of people with Parkinson's coming up to me saying, 'You take too much medication.' I say, 'Well, you sit across from Larry King and see if you want to tempt it.'

The above is from 2002

and it it now 2006. You seen what happens to a typical Parkinson's patient in 4 years time?

Sorry it makes people uncomfortable. And pathetic that Rush chooses to politicize it from that angle. It is a political issue. Fox was endorsing a candidate to is pro stem cell research and is running against a candidate that is anit-stem cell research. If I was in his position I'd do the same thing.


Responding to criticism by conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh, actor Michael J. Fox defended his appearance in a political campaign ad, saying he wasn't acting or off his medication.

In fact, at the time he was over-medicated for his Parkinson's disease, Fox said Thursday in an exclusive interview with CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric.

"The irony is that I was too medicated. I was dyskinesic," Fox told Couric. "Because the thing about … being symptomatic is that it's not comfortable. No one wants to be symptomatic; it's like being hit with a hammer."

His body visibly wracked by tremors, Fox appears in a political ad touting Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill's stance in favor of embryonic stem cell research. That prompted Limbaugh to speculate that Fox was "either off his medication or acting."

Fox told Couric, "At this point now, if I didn't take medication I wouldn't be able to speak."

He said he appeared in the ad only to advance his cause, and that "disease is a non-partisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution."

Though Fox, a native of Canada who became an American citizen in 2000, has been politically active for Democratic causes, he said he has voted for and would vote for a Republican. "Arlen Specter is my guy," he said of the Republican senator from Pennsylvania. "I've campaigned for Arlen Specter. He's been a fantastic champion of stem cell research. I've spoken alongside Mike Castle, who's a Republican congressman. Absolutely."

more at

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/26/eveningnews/main2128188.shtml

I'm a phd biochemist. I've done basic research and worked with colleagues that do clinical work. I can read the literature a bit differently than a lay person. I believe that gives me a fairly credible angle on understanding the "substance" of this debate.

You made a sweeping generalization that I believe is not based on suitable expertise or experience. Please correct me if I'm wrong. When the messenger does not have the background to make well-informed opinion, I will call them on it.

Mr Fox has stated in the past that he went off his meds before testifying in front of congress for dramatic effect. Why is it so awful that if he had done it before by his own admission, to suggest he had done it this time?

I am still pissed that the state of mexifornia is blowing 6 million of my dollars on unproven technology that has never(embryonic stem cell, not adult)produced anything of note, the state will not own the rights to any discoveries made, and there is little enough oversight to be non-existant IMHO

nostatic, don't you think you should remove yourself from this PPOT debate? Facts can only hamper you here.

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Originally posted by Tobra

Exactly what do you think research is? Spending money on things that are already proven?

nostatic, don't you think you should remove yourself from this PPOT debate? Facts can only hamper you here.

Exactly what do you think research is? Spending money on things that are already proven?

Wrong, Nostatic. It has nothing to do with the ballot issue in MO and your statement that he is against stem cell research is misleading, at best. Sen. Talent is against - say it with me - FEDERAL FUNDING for ESC research.

I think we have moved away from the original topic.

Back on track:

Is Rush Limbaugh the kind of individual you would like your kids to grow up to be? Is he a good role model? If so, for whom?

Wow, I came into this one really late. Did I miss the post where Rush APOLOGIZED? I'm a republican (well, I used to be one, maybe I still am one, I just don't know anymore), and I'm for stem cell research. I see nothing wrong with what M.J. Fox did for the ad for a MO Senate candidate, and I don't see anything wrong with what Rush, who I listen to once in a while (he's certainly more entertaining than Al Franken or Jerry Springer, or Randy Rhodes), said as a political analysis of the point of the ad which was to highlight differences between the philosophies of the two candidates. How can you guys get such mileage out of this topic?

That was the original topic? Anyway...

All Rush did was make an observation that Fox was shown very differently than ever before in this ad. They way he was shown elicits more sympathy than he otherwise would. His factual observation appears to have been correct except that the behavioral changes were due to too much medication rather than too little, the point that it's not his normal state is however correct.

Rick, that means he essentially is against the work (but maybe doesn't have the balls to say why he really is against it). Without federal funding, most academic labs would no longer exist.

Fox is backing a pro-ESC candidate against an anti-(federally funded)-ESC candidate. Seems pretty straightforward to me why he would do the ad.

Not that he has a personal stake in the outcome. I guess what's confusing people is that his stake isn't financial...

Rush makes a LOT of observations, most biased, inflammatory, and designed to elicit rage in those so partisan they cannot distinguish between a rabble rousing entertainer and serious discourse.

Opinion presented as fact is still opinion. Proof. We need proof.

Sound familiar?

funny, it sounds just as moronic when you say it as when Rush says it...

His "normal state." WTF do you know about his "normal state"? WTF do you know about the normal state of *anyone* with Parkinsons?

Answer: apparently nothing. Evidently you think that his past TV appearances reflect the "reality" of his current condition. Here's another clue for you:

TV ISN'T REALITY

Maybe you should just stick to watching football games...

Rush never claimed it was anything but his opinion. I have no idea where you're going with that.