It deserves repeating:

1. Read post, preferably twice

2. Compose response

3. Submit response

4. Do not transpose #2 and #3

Too much "transposing" going on around here.

It is kinda crazy to form an opinion on whether the Iraqi PM should be able to stop an American military operation. Especially if the opinion would tend to make Bush war policy look incredibly stupid and counterproductive.

So let's just say "it's complicated" and move on to attacking Kerry.

Or attacking Rodeo, that works almost as well. If I express an opinion contrary to your hero, the appropriate response is to scream "Bush bashing" a hundred times, then call me names. Then you say "it's complicated," and move on to Kerry bashing.

The only difference is I'm talking about American lives. You're talking politics.

If you are incapable of forming an opinion on whether Maliki should be able to call an end to what our soldiers called a "vital military operation," that is a sad commentary on you I'm afraid.

10 points for that reach around Rodeo!

I knew better than to attempt reason with you.:rolleyes: SmileWavy

Is this really what you consider "reasoning?"

No wonder we can't communicate.

If you want to try my style of "reasoning," tell me your opinion of Maliki stopping American Military operations.

That would be a good start.

Indeed I wonder as well.

There are thousands of potential scenarios for what happened in that situation. Promises made from one group to another, tests of loyalty, small scale diplomacy, etc... all to possibly achieve the desired goal through different/perhaps more effective means. But Rodeo doesn't care, all he sees is a chance to bash Bush even though such a decision would have come from the Generals on the ground who might have a good reason for their actions.

It's more fun and just as productive to treat him as the jester he is. Dance monkey boy dance :D

Of those thousands, which have you heard the Bush administration use?

Yep, that's the one. The same one lackys like you use -- silence. Followed by attacks. Followed by diversions.

Down to about 26% of the country with you. But keep fighting for your hero. He's what's important.

How is this for ya Rodeo?

At some point decisions will need to be made by the Iraqis, as time passes I hope more and more decisions are made by the Iraqi govt, thus allowing us to EVENTUALLY back out of Iraq. I feel much more comfortable knowing only a partial backout was made by our troops as opposed to a full immediate withdrawal as some lefties seem to desire.
This whole Sadr City news story of the week will be forgotten about by next week by all but maybe you.

WTF exactly is the point you are trying to make? Oh yeah....Bush somehow has turned our ENTIRE military over to the terrorists therefore he sucks.

BTW, Bush is not my "hero" but in general, I will back a republican (who shares MOST of my views) over a Kerry (your hero?) or Hillary Clinton 100% of the time.

Now give me something else to laugh about and respond to (it is Friday after all)

This is getting interesting. Seems as if our resident opponents have hit a true impasse. Entertaining to say the least. Seems as if the phrase "Bush Bashing" takes precidence over a rational response!!

I am sure that certain "liberals" do bash the prez, but "conservatives" seem to have a limited long term memory about "president bashing" that occured between 1992 and 2000. Get over it guys, it is all part of the game, repeated over and over between the "ins" and the "outs".

Personally, I will never bash the president on a personal basis (I have never met the man), but I will say that his stands on many issues are simplistic, not well thought out, and potentially dangerous if continued very far into the future.

So there. Do I get painted with the same "Bush Bashing" brush?

Well, Bob, i guess they have a point. After all, Bush didn't turn over control of the ENTIRE U.S. Military to the terrorists, only one "vital" operation in a war zone.

I don't know what I was thinking, seeing anything wrong with that. I mean, the terrorists are not in charge of the Pentagon yet, right?

What a sorry bunch of sycophants.

Geez Rodeo, next you're gonna complain about Tora Bora. :)

Nope, Rodeo is in a league all his own. Even Jim Richards, who I often disagree with politically is making comments on Rodeo's downward spiraling lunacy.

I have not forgot about Clinton, as I still have a picture of him on my dartboard in my shop :D (no Jim, it is not a "butt dart" board:D )

Hey, there could be "thousands" of reasons to turn over combat operations to terrorists.

Another Bush strategy so brilliant that mortals cannot begin to comprehend.

LOL! Buttdarts. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/NickBu...ley_1/moon.gif

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i think that word is banned now in Colorado

Speaking of Clinton, one day I was going to one of our many museums here in DC. As I was walking along, I spotted Bubba (still Prez) and Chelsea out for a walk, of course, with the Sec. Serv. guys everywhere. I was pretty close to them, and they stopped and looked at some sculpture, and chatted like father/daughter. No press around. Just a father/daughter outing. Really struck me how much like any nice father he seemed. Anyway, I just wanted to mention that, and that I still have two years to see something comparable from the current WH occupants. Peace. :)

Well, I suppose there will be those after GWB is long gone that will also have dartboards.

Politics seems to be the lowest emotional common denominator.

Yeah Jim, but tell me about how Clinton lied, he was stupid, he dogded Vietnam, he smoked dope, he .......

Sorry, just wanted to see how it felt to give a Rodeo type response :D

Whew! For a minute I thought he highjacked your account. :eek:

Clinton was a crappy husband, but I'll always respect him as a father.

I think the fear angle has been the B2 admin's only tool for achieving foreign and domestic policy goals and electoral success. I hope it fails them this time. Time for bi-partisianship. :)

I truly despised Clinton like any good republican :D , but I feel pretty confident that I would not have come across as a whining broken record declaring Clinton a buffoon in response to EVERY political topic that might have come up here on PPOT. ;) :)

Possible I guess, but your not understanding it goes without saying:D

See, I have no problem with your above stated opinion and there is some truth to it. The only difference is that I am OK with using whatever angle it takes to keep the republicans in control as they represent my views more than the dems. Both sides use whatever they can to try and win as many votes as possible. Nothing new about that.

If fear works, so be it (but deep down I personally feel the right is and has been for quite some time, the strongest when it comes to defense).

Because you saw him talking to his daughter?

There must be more to it Jim. Have a drink and tell us about it:D

Tim:

Just curious, coming from an independent:

Are Republicans the only people who have the knowledge, virtue, and wisdom to keep the country from going down the dumper? Are there not others who have some admirable characteristics?

Interesting, but after reading through literally thousands of posts, it appears that so-called "liberals" are more apt to vote for an opposing party than so-called "conservatives". I wonder why that is?

Where Rodeo has said that either party should be tossed out after so many years, one of our most outspoken "conservatives" stated that under no circumstances would he ever vote for a democrat. So which view is the more rational? BTW...I put "conservative" in quotes because most are CINO, not understanding what a true conservative stands for. Further, the conclusion that the current administration uses fear as a motivator cannot be denied. Like a wise man once said, Politics is emotion.

It is interesting anyway.

If Clinton had ceded control of combat operations to al Sadr, I'd be bashing him just as hard.

That's the difference between me and the Bush sycophants. First, they look at party designation, second, they take a position.

America second, eh guys?

Step up to the bar, len. :)

Actually, it was clear that he was a nice father. Over the years, I've seen the way a lot of people act around their kids, and Bubba was on the positive end of the scale. You could also see it in the way Chelsea acted around him. Some parents get it, some don't. Bubba seemed to get it.

Bull***** !!

Fair enough. I'll have another please:D

Nothing even remotely close that has occured. Why do you fear reality so?

You can't even wrap your brain around that can you?

Explains a lot.

Just remember, party 1st, America 2nd.

Should party come before country? If so, Why? If not, Why not?

Oh ... a moment ago, there were "thousands" of potential reasons why we let this happen (all of them favorable to your hero).

Now it didn't happen.

You need help.

You got it! :)

Our political system is what it is. So realistically speaking, on all but local level elections, I typically vote republican 100% because with the hope that republicans end up having the upper hand.

There are good and bad on both sides, but the reality for me is that 75% of the republicans platform is what I believe in and if they are in power, I know that they will do a better job protecting my interests and concerns. I have no problem with independants or even many dems on a personal level, but I have great disdain for many of the dems regularly scheduled programs.

9/11 and the war on terror has made it tough going, but the core republican values IMO trump the dems every time.

And can you enumerate those 'core values'?

No, what a dumb question.

The 4th ranking Repub member of the House runs away from Iraq! Apparently she does not have enough Hancock types in her district.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As she fights for her political life, Ohio Republican Rep. Deborah Pryce distanced herself Thursday from the Iraq war, telling CNN Radio, "What's happening in Iraq is not a direct reflection on me."

The seven-term representative is the House Republican Caucus chairwoman, the fourth highest-ranking position in the House. She won re-election in 2004 with 62 percent of the vote. However, experts say her current race with Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy is a toss-up.

Sadr controls our guys Rodeo? No he doesn't. Reality sleep with your girlfriend in HIghSchool or something?

Of course it's dumb ... everyone knows that Bush comes before country. There are "thousands" of reasons why this is so, huh daddy?

Yes he did. He closed the checkpoints, deemed "vital" to the U.S. Military.

Guess you missed it, in all the Kerry-bashing excitement.

So Tim...

PRECISELY What is the Republican platform?

I have yet to be able to formulate a comprehensive picture, and God knows I have tried. If you claim that Republican = Conservative, I would have to respectfully disagree. Having been a Goldwater Conservative (probably the last national Conservative the country has had), I believe in conservatism, even though there are a few items upon which I lean a bit to the left.

So, what is the Republican platform? fiscal conservatism? social issues? Can't find 'em anywhere. They range all over the map, depending on which district you are in. Some Reps seem to be for this, others against the same thing. Some move lockstep with the prez, others want to distance themselves. So, how do the Reps differ form the Dems, who are accused of being disorganized?

Tis a puzzlement. I cannot, for the life of me, understand anyone stating that one party is in all respects superior to the other.

Enlighten me.