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svonkampen 11-07-2006 12:32 PM

Down with the Reds in...In with the Blue....
 
Down with the Reds in...In with the Blue....


we liberals are gonna win it!

SvK

Porsche-O-Phile 11-07-2006 12:33 PM

Same *****, different color.

m21sniper 11-07-2006 12:36 PM

So please explain to me how self-inflicted pacifistic socialism is "winning" exactly. ;)

red-beard 11-07-2006 12:36 PM

Personally, I think they are both closer to brown...

svonkampen 11-07-2006 12:38 PM

My Father lives in VA.

He has always voted Republican.....guess what, he voted for Webb!!


Put that together with RECORD voter turn-out in VA...(red state)
That tells me Repubs in serious trouble.

If VA goes blue, many others will follow suit.


SvK

mikester 11-07-2006 12:47 PM

It'll be an interesting day for sure...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/senate/

turbo6bar 11-07-2006 01:23 PM

One downside to a landslide Dem victory is Bushco has a scapegoat if/when the next 2 years don't go well. "I was trying to make this country a better place, but those pesky Dems threw Congress into gridlock."

Agree with PoP, different page, same story. Convert all incumbents to soylent green and ban the two party stranglehold, and then we're gettin' somewhere.

Hugh R 11-07-2006 01:35 PM

The only good thing that I can see from a Dem takeover is they'll solve all the problems that they have been *****ing about but for which they have yet to offer definitive solutions. They'll still blame the reps. for the "morass" "mess" "insert your own adjective here" that they can't get out of that Bush caused.

stevepaa 11-07-2006 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by m21sniper
So please explain to me how self-inflicted pacifistic socialism is "winning" exactly. ;)
No unnecessary deaths in foreign lands :D

I don't want our soldiers dying in preemptive wars fought for no good reason with no plan for after "mission accomplished".

m21sniper 11-07-2006 03:35 PM

I am going to go waaaaaaay out on a limb and guess that you are/were not a soldier/sailor/airman/marine, and i suspect that if you were called upon to so perform in such a role you'd immediately flee to Canada.

So please, save we the unwashed military masses your feigned concerned for our well being. :)

We are/were all volunteers.

As an aside, we'd really rather not pay our hard earned money so crack addicted welfare moms can have more babies while the forces of tyranny and evil advance unchecked throughout the globe.(I half expect you'll deny this...but there ARE evil folks out there, and they'd like very much to saw your living head off if they could only get their hands on you).

Anyway, call us greedy....you did in the other thread. ;)

PS: "Mission Accomplished", while a politically foolish ploy, was also at the time factually correct, as the ceremony was in commemoration of the successful toppling of the Iraqi regime.

How is it that a critical liberal thinker such as yourself has missed that fine bit of subtlety?

hehehehe....

Lothar 11-07-2006 03:42 PM

Memories are so short. Dems harp about the war in Iraq but forget that their clowns voted for the war too.

Give politicians enough time in power and they all become power drunk clowns.

However, if the Dems and their socialist agenda do win big tonight, maybe Bush will finally get out that VETO pen.

74-911 11-07-2006 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by m21sniper
I am going to go waaaaaaay out on a limb and guess that you are/were not a soldier/sailor/airman/marine, and i suspect that if you were called upon to so perform in such a role you'd immediately flee to Canada.
I'm not exactly a liberal but agree with Stevepaa. And yes, I spent four years in the USAF during that fiasco called Vietnam which got 60K GI's killed for nothing.... not to mention the tens of thousands mained.

Quote:

Originally posted by m21sniper

As an aside, we'd really rather not pay our hard earned money so crack addicted welfare moms can have more babies while the forces of tyranny and evil advance unchecked throughout the globe.(I half expect you'll deny this...but there ARE evil folks out there, and they'd like very much to saw your living head off if they could only get their hands on you).

Yes, the neo-cons cut taxes and social programs. Unfortunately they neglected to cut spending anywhere else and went on a porkfest like no one has ever seen. Remember the $250M bridge to nowhere. And the war-profiteering going on with KBR, Halliburton with thier cost plus no-bid contracts is mind-boggling (but Cheney loves it).

Quote:

Originally posted by m21sniper


PS: "Mission Accomplished", while a politically foolish ploy, was also at the time factually correct, as the ceremony was in commemoration of the successful toppling of the Iraqi regime.

And that's the whole problem in Iraq... Larry, Curley and Moe (aka GWB, Cheney and Rummsfeld) made no plans whatsoever for the aftermath of Saddam's fall... You remember, we would be greeted as liberators, oil would pay the reconstructions costs, etc. etc. Happy days are here again.....

Doug&Julie 11-07-2006 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by turbo6bar
Convert all incumbents to soylent green and ban the two party stranglehold, and then we're gettin' somewhere.
Probably one of the best things I've ever read on the Off Topic board.

...'course, I don't get over here much....

on-ramp 11-07-2006 05:24 PM

business as usual , carry on.

do you honestly believe any of this will effect your life?

Rodeo 11-07-2006 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by on-ramp
business as usual , carry on.

do you honestly believe any of this will effect your life?

It will. On your life and on your children's lives. Policy makes a difference. Tax policy, spending policy, foreign policy, environmental policy, and on an on ...

And having been out of power for so long, the Dems will be clean, at least for a while.

red-beard 11-07-2006 06:03 PM

I just don't want my 11+ round magazines banned again!

Rodeo 11-07-2006 06:08 PM

Along those same lines, I don't want the government listening to my phone calls or reading my emails.

m21sniper 11-07-2006 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 74-911
I'm not exactly a liberal but agree with Stevepaa. And yes, I spent four years in the USAF during that fiasco called Vietnam which got 60K GI's killed for nothing.... not to mention the tens of thousands mained.



Yes, the neo-cons cut taxes and social programs. Unfortunately they neglected to cut spending anywhere else and went on a porkfest like no one has ever seen. Remember the $250M bridge to nowhere. And the war-profiteering going on with KBR, Halliburton with thier cost plus no-bid contracts is mind-boggling (but Cheney loves it).



And that's the whole problem in Iraq... Larry, Curley and Moe (aka GWB, Cheney and Rummsfeld) made no plans whatsoever for the aftermath of Saddam's fall... You remember, we would be greeted as liberators, oil would pay the reconstructions costs, etc. etc. Happy days are here again.....

I don't see where you agreed with Steve, but rather you brought up your own quite accurate points.

All of which i agree with.

The war in Iraq has been totally mismanaged, and we have essentially seized defeat from the jaws of victory.

74-911 11-08-2006 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m21sniper

The war in Iraq has been totally mismanaged, and we have essentially seized defeat from the jaws of victory.

One can debate whether or not we should have invaded Iraq until the proverbial cows come home. Everyone has their own perspective on that issue and no amount of arguing is going to change anyone's opinion. I don't doubt GWB's intentions, however misguided, were good. It would be very difficult to not believe a stable, somewhat democratic Iraq would be a good thing for the middle East and the US.

But the ineptitude of the conduct of the war both in Afghanistan and Iraq is mind-boggling and I don't see how anyone who is paying attention could argue otherwise. It appears to me that their war plan consisted of taking the best case scenario at all times. And the jaws of victory opened but briefly....

stevepaa 11-08-2006 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m21sniper
I am going to go waaaaaaay out on a limb and guess that you are/were not a soldier/sailor/airman/marine, and i suspect that if you were called upon to so perform in such a role you'd immediately flee to Canada.

So please, save we the unwashed military masses your feigned concerned for our well being. :)

Actually I was Army ROTC in 68 until reclassified as 4F and now I know children being called to duty in Iraq. They are the ones I am concerned for.


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