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KevinP73 11-24-2006 03:44 PM

Re: Boat building question
 
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Originally posted by procon
I'm toying with the idea of building a 14'-16' fly fishing dory, however it would need to withstand up to class 4 whitewater. :D

Anyone have experience in dory construction/plan suggestions, websites, etc...

I got the plans and material for my kayak from CLC Boats and am very happy with the result. Look them up CLC Boats

fastpat 11-24-2006 06:10 PM

Jay, first if you've not done so, subscribe to Wooden Boat magazine. The resources for everything are worth the price; and they've a huge library of low cost boat plans, including the size you're looking for. Many are by well known master boat builders, including those no longer with us.

VINMAN 11-24-2006 06:23 PM

Look up plans by Harold Payson. He should definately have something you are looking for. Built a small catboat from his plans yrs ago.

VINMAN 11-24-2006 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by VINMAN
Look up plans by Harold Payson. He should definately have something you are looking for. Built a small catboat from his plans yrs ago.
http://www.instantboats.com/

fastpat 11-24-2006 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by VINMAN
Look up plans by Harold Payson. He should definately have something you are looking for. Built a small catboat from his plans yrs ago.
That's Harold "Dynamite" Payson.:D

It appears that Wooden Boat has come out with a spin-off publication titled "Small Boats", there's a blurb about it on their web page.

I've subscribed to Wooden Boat off and on for a long time, but never started a boat. Still might some day.

Here's one of Wooden Boats book of plans.
http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=325-060

fastpat 11-24-2006 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by procon
Vin,

Just checking out the site & I like the looks of the Gloucester Light Dory, thanks for the 411. SmileWavy

http://www.instantboats.com/images/ggull400.jpg

I know that Wooden Boat has had quite a few "How to" articles on Payson's boats, they may even have published a compendium of the articles.

fastpat 11-24-2006 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by procon
Pat, should you ever decide to...
I'd be pleased to drive down to lend my limited knowledge & piss poor ability to the project. :D

You don't have to wait for that to happen, you'd likely be too old by then.:D

Any time you're down this way, give me a call. And plan on doing some walking, I give tours.;)

I actually have a small library of books on boat building that I'm not using at the moment.

kach22i 11-25-2006 02:28 AM

I post in this boat forum sometimes, good people there but maybe not the most active site out there.

http://boatdesign.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18

RoninLB 11-25-2006 02:54 AM

for entertainment

Inlet boat w/tiller, wheel, gold electric terminals, extra bilge pumps to unload after lowering to slide under low bridges, live bait well, etc.

Not exactly what WoodenBoat had in mind.




http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164455664.jpg

VINMAN 11-25-2006 04:37 AM

Ron, love that transom! I miss our old 27' Uhlricson. Ive been trying to find another one. No luck.

One day( when I run out of projects) I'm gonna build one of these.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164461812.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164461841.jpg

fastpat 11-25-2006 05:14 AM

Some of the most beautiful boats ever built are those by Herreshoff's, Bristol, R.I.

Here's a Fisher's Island 23, the Hornet.
http://images20.fotki.com/v356/photo.../hornet-vi.jpg

A few others, all at the Herreshoff Marine Museum in Bristol.
http://www.herreshoff.org/frames/bulldog.htm
http://www.herreshoff.org/frames/trivia.htm

More.
http://www.herreshoff.org/frames/mmvtboatsframe.htm

They're restoring them as they have funds, all private as far as I know. Too bad they don't have anyone making production drawings of them, so that others could build new ones.

VINMAN 11-25-2006 05:21 AM

Pat have you ever been to the museum? Its incredible . After going there I fell in love with those boats Thats when I decided I had to build one one day.

fastpat 11-25-2006 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by VINMAN
Pat have you ever been to the museum? Its incredible . After going there I fell in love with those boats Thats when I decided I had to build one one day.
No, the closest I've come is when I sent a girlfriend there in 1991, she was attending the Naval officer school in Newport. She brought me a T-shirt, and some literature. I'll go someday, though.

RoninLB 11-25-2006 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by VINMAN


Ron, love that transom! I miss our old 27' Uhlricson. Ive been trying to find another one. No luck.

I'll ask around here this winter. I really don't expect to find anything around that doesn't need almost complete rebuilding.


I'm now looking for a glass inboard jet drive around 23' for back bays.

fastpat 11-25-2006 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
I'll ask around here this winter. I really don't expect to find anything around that doesn't need almost complete rebuilding.


I'm now looking for a glass inboard jet drive around 23' for back bays.

You mean, something like this:
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/0/84512910.htm

RoninLB 11-25-2006 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat


You mean, something like this:
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/0/84512910.htm


not really.

I need something to fish on and beat up. The wider the better. If it's dignified looking it's ng.

thx

fastpat 11-25-2006 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
not really.

I need something to fish on and beat up. The wider the better. If it's dignified looking it's ng.

thx

This is my boat.
http://images17.fotki.com/v28/photos...0/Boat3-vi.jpg

But, it's an outdrive, requires at least 33 inches of draft, 40 inches is much more comfortable. It's 28 feet OAL.

RoninLB 11-25-2006 01:58 PM

Re: Boat building question
 
Quote:

Originally posted by procon
. :D

Anyone have experience in dory construction/plan suggestions, websites, etc...



how about see how far you can research on the WoodenBoat site?

if you hit a wall I'll pick up as a subscriber.

nota 11-25-2006 02:28 PM

for rapid runing I would want a lite super strong rig
like carbon fiber or kevlar on foam core

maybe a wood [doorskin] form left on if you want a wood look
and fiber/foam inside

speedracing944 11-25-2006 04:06 PM

MMMMM. got to love West Systems Epoxy. A must have for a wooden boat builder.

JeremyD 11-25-2006 07:26 PM

I think west systems is a little over rated MAS Systems and System three are better and less prone to "cooking off" The best thing about west systems is their plunger/measurer, but after sanding off the bottom of a partially cured 24 foot boat - I physically measure everything now.

These guys are local to me and thier pricing is good - their laminating epoxy is the best I have used.

http://fgci.com/

this is a decent book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D007048578X/northwestmarinedA/

JeremyD 11-25-2006 07:38 PM

Before
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164515841.jpg

After
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164515890.jpg

VINMAN 11-26-2006 05:51 AM

Never had a problem with West System. Iv'e been through probably close to a hundred or so gallons of it on various projects.

FGCI is a great company very good prices.

Keith Perry 11-26-2006 08:18 AM

The only time I've ever had West fail was gluing together pieces I had soaked out with 50/50 borates/antifreeze. Probably all epoxies. But a 25/75 ratio doesn't seem to cause failure. Wish I'd known when I was young this stuff kills fungal rot.

deathpunk dan 11-26-2006 11:48 AM

Boatbuilding.Net

which is part of

Jamestown Distributors

JD sells composites, fasteners, epoxies, paints etc...

JeremyD 11-26-2006 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by VINMAN
Never had a problem with West System.
probably more due to our 98 degrees and 96% humidity. Never had a problem with west systems in the winter - but in the summer - forgetaboutit

Keith Perry 11-26-2006 04:36 PM

Just keep it cool in the summer. I use buckets and crushed ice. So, any of you other guys use antifreeze, borate salts and boric acid to kill rot in situ?

notfarnow 11-26-2006 05:28 PM

Re: Re: Re: Boat building question
 
Quote:

Originally posted by procon
I've been doing quite a bit of research today & am going to purchase the book, How to build the Gloucester Light Dory.
The design is exactly what I was looking for & the simple plywood construction is ideal for a first attempt. Besides, I don't expect it to have a long life with the kind of water I'll be running it on. ;)

A friend of mine built one of these 3 years ago, to use as a tender for his sailboat. Used that very same book. It was his first boatbuilding project and he found it very straighforward and pleasurable. Biggest hassle was finding decent 4' x 16' marine plywood.

His turned out beautifully. While not the most elegant sailboat tender, it's very, very stable and can take an large load without getting tippy.

Tim Hancock 11-27-2006 03:42 AM

I have built aircraft from wood using West System epoxy and a couple rowboats for the pond. I eventually will build a small Chris Craft looking runabout to be powered with a JetSki engine.

Here is a link to a decent looking boat designed for river running. The web site that sells the plans has a great forum for those needing assistance with wood boat building. http://boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=471

Hurra912 11-27-2006 04:50 AM

Glen-L is a great site with tons of proven designs. I am thinking of building the "Riviera" barrelback runabout myself.

Glen-L Boats

fastpat 11-27-2006 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by Hurra912
Glen-L is a great site with tons of proven designs. I am thinking of building the "Riviera" barrelback runabout myself.

Glen-L Boats

I'd be careful of the Glen-L designs. Many, if not most, have never been built and the company is more of a marketing business than a true boat enthusiast business. They've been around for a long time, and I've had their catalogs in the past, and just didn't get the good feeling that I got when looking at boats designed by master craftsmen. Harold Payson is one of those craftmen.

Hurra912 11-27-2006 05:09 AM

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I'd be careful of the Glen-L designs. Many, if not most, have never been built and the company is more of a marketing business than a true boat enthusiast business. They've been around for a long time, and I've had their catalogs in the past, and just didn't get the good feeling that I got when looking at boats designed by master craftsmen. Harold Payson is one of those craftmen.
What do you think about their "barrelback plans"? I haven't been able to find many resources for such boats, and I really would like to put one together in the near future.

Wayne

Tim Hancock 11-27-2006 05:42 AM

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Originally posted by Hurra912
What do you think about their "barrelback plans"? I haven't been able to find many resources for such boats, and I really would like to put one together in the near future.

Wayne

While tis true they have been around a long time, many of their boats HAVE been succesfully built. Some are ancient designs, some are simple construction, some are complex.......

If you delve into their website, you will find many photos of many happy customer built boats. Sure there are some rarely built turds, but there are many nice proven designs also. I would also like to build the Riviera, but it is a huge undertaking and I have decided that while I may build a mini version (squirt or flying saucer), if I ever take on a full size mahogany runabout, it will be a RESTORATION of a pre-war runabout so when I am finished, it will be worth something.


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