Gestapo tactics in the War on Drugs (TM)

BlueSkyJaunte · 12-14-2006, 12:12 PM

I guess the moral of the story here is to just take down as many as you can before they snuff you, because the SWAT team will try to kill you regardless of your innocence, police record, or address.

legion · 12-14-2006, 12:24 PM

Yep. This has me VERY concerned.

Most PD's justify using SWAT teams because of the increasing number of violent confrontations, ignoring that the increasing number of violent confrontations are probably due to the increase in use of SWAT teams.

m21sniper · 12-14-2006, 12:24 PM

Thanx for posting this. This problem has to be controlled now, while it can still be controlled.

Before it gets too out of hand.

BTW, that SCOTUS ruling is even worse than their eminent domain ruling.

There is no freedom in this nation, only gov't sponsored, police administered, tyranny.

Rikao4 · 12-14-2006, 12:24 PM

Short little fu(k on the end, better hope he doesn't have to run more than 50 feet. 2nd guy after lead, he just wants to shoot SOMETHING /SOMEBODY.
Rika

HardDrive · 12-14-2006, 12:27 PM

The case of Cory Maye is fecking disgusting. Its worth researching. Basically a modern day lynching.

m21sniper · 12-14-2006, 12:29 PM

After reading that article again, i'd swear I wrote it. It is almost exactly the same points i made in the other thread on this topic.

I would like our cops and prosecuters here at pelican to PLEASE tell us how we have this 'all wrong', and explain to us why we should continue to accept being murdered and TERRORIZED by the Gestapo?

Please, we are all ears.

I hereby call for the IMMEDIATE disbandment of all SWAT teams in the US. They are no more than a BLATANT end-run around Posse Comitatus to begin with.

m21sniper · 12-14-2006, 12:33 PM

Nice job them convicting Mr. Meye to death in article #6, isn't it?

You see these articles Lenny, Dave, et al? THIS is why we do not trust you, THIS is why you get no benefit of the doubt, THIS is why you are outright hated by MILLIONS of Americans.

Rikao4 · 12-14-2006, 12:44 PM

Not anti police and all that stuff , but
Sniper you miss this important nugget.
being on a SWAT Team is cool, wear black,lot's of Kevlar,stuff hanging from your Batman belt, shoot people..
if by mistake, it's the dead person's fault , not the Gestapo wannabees.
Rika
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m21sniper · 12-14-2006, 12:57 PM

It's because so many extend the cops the benefit of the doubt and WANT- desperately WANT- to trust the gov't/cops that this stuff goes on to the extent it does to begin with.

The US gov't, and a good chunk of state/local gov'ts are either no damned good or completely incompetent. They shouldn't be trusted with simple fireworks, let alone trained hit squads. If one needs evidence that the US Gov't should not be trusted with guns, one only needs look at the total mess they've made in Iraq...

fastpat · 12-14-2006, 01:14 PM

I found this old graphic, apropos I think.

The problem isn't militarized police, at best that's no more than a tactical issue, the strategic issue is government itself.

island_dude · 12-14-2006, 01:19 PM

As it has been said here before about the pariot act, If you are innocent, you have nothing to worry about.

m21sniper · 12-14-2006, 01:20 PM

"ATF= Always Trampling Freedom"

BlueSkyJaunte · 12-14-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
The problem isn't militarized police, at best that's no more than a tactical issue, the strategic issue is government itself.

I agree with you. However you can lose the strategic war if your tactics suck.

fastpat · 12-14-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
I agree with you. However you can lose the strategic war if your tactics suck.

That's true, but not my point.

The risks posed by militarized police tactics can be thwarted in the short run by SWAT proofing your home to the degree that you can, arranging legal representation before hand for this or any other issue you can conceive having with government, and other things.

Strategically, demanding significant reductions in government, ALL GOVERNMENT, is necessary. Snce most of this issue is local (with gifts of federal money to encourage it), removing these kinds of local threats must be handled locally. Political solutions must be blended in with financial solutions.

And, above all, the War on (sosme) Drugs must be ended NOW.

snowman · 08:11 PM

The cops are not at fault. They just do what they like to do and whatever the political establishment rewards them for doing. All cops like to be a hero, its part of the draw to that profession. Being part of any operation that involves killing is very exciting and therefore a real big draw the kind of people so inclined to be cops to begin with. That is simply the nature of the people involved.

The real problem is the politicians. People who can channel those desires (the police officers) and tendencies to work for good or evil. It is the politician that pays, rewards, directs the efforts of the police. Therefore the real culprit is the politician, the one currently sidestepping the blame for the situation we are in. Swat teams, drug wars are all the product of the POLITICIAN not the cop. Politicians are prone to overstep their authority, by nature. What we need is ways to reign them back in, short of the traditional methods of total revolt and hanging all of them. Our checks and balances have failed in that they are all politicians and scratch each others backs. Our last chance method of checks and balance, the 2nd amendment is in danger of being tossed out. This should be the litmus test for the final solution, the one that states that we should rise up against the ones enslaving us. Clinton almost had a full scale revolution going. The true believers were already holed up in their caves, the fanatics were being burned alive with their children in Waco and some took action by bombing federal buildings. That is not the kind of America I wish to live in, but the left wingers, the Clintonites are pushing us toward that end. There must be a peaceful way to turn this around before the next Clinton shoves the country into full civil war. I sincerely believe that if we ever ban guns, the cave dwellers will "pull the trigger" and it will be very hard times for all.

The philosophy of government is much more important than the quantity of government.

Joeaksa · 12-14-2006, 08:02 PM

This has gotten far out of hand and needs to be controlled. This is one aspect of the patriot act that I do not agree with. Problem is that the swat teams very well be needed when confronting terrorists.

fastpat · 12-14-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
This has gotten far out of hand and needs to be controlled. This is one aspect of the patriot act that I do not agree with. Problem is that the swat teams very well be needed when confronting terrorists.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll fare much better than trained combat troops do with close air support.

Joe, we don't need, and don't want this kind of police force in America, never did, don't need them now, and won't need them in the future.

snowman · 12-14-2006, 08:18 PM

A good trained CMP (Civilian Markmanship Program) can take care of any terror threat. Only trouble is that we are no longer supporting that program.

fastpat · 12-14-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by snowman
A good trained CMP (Civilian Markmanship Program) can take care of any terror threat. Only trouble is that we are no longer supporting that program.

Yes, that program is still in existence, just not well advertised. I bought my Garand through them. http://www.odcmp.com/

As soon as we get the federal government back under control, the terrorist threat will diminish, except in those areas that restrict firearms ownership. And to be honest, should we correct that problem?

m21sniper · 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
This has gotten far out of hand and needs to be controlled. This is one aspect of the patriot act that I do not agree with. Problem is that the swat teams very well be needed when confronting terrorists.

Which is exactly what they should be maintained- but held in reserve- for. (Unlike Pat, i fully understand the utility of having trained, dispersed, well organized tactical hit teams to provide an effective counter-terrorism response force)

There needs to be seriously restrictive legislation passed regulating the duties and lawful application of SWAT teams in each of these 50 United States (as obviously SCOTUS has utterly tossed the idea of adherence to the spirit of the Constitution with it's recent rulings). Every day delayed ends up with more dead or terrorized innocent Americans, and even more distrust of the Police and the Gov't.

In reality, i expect that nothing will be done until it gets even worse- and left unchecked- it will.