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patz 08-03-2016 07:01 AM

My Morini powered ride with new seat I fabbed up. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1470236465.jpg

javadog 08-03-2016 07:18 AM

Interesting project (Mike's CR500 special).

One suggestion... 6Al4V has been tried for axles by some serious racers and nobody liked it. I imagine 7050 would be even less suited. Steel is still the favored material for axles in the higher classes of 2-wheeled racing. Large diameter, thin wall, but steel...

I'd be curious what piston/porting/pipe you end up with and who you end up having do the porting work and pipe building. I'm planning a CR500 motard and would like to move a chunk of the power from the midrange to above 6000.

JR

Schumi 08-03-2016 12:59 PM

My wife is from Bretagne and we are moving back to closer to where she is from to look into some real estate renovation projects. I'm semi-retired and just looking for a new journey, living abroad seems like fun, and I need somewhere where real estate is cheap enough so I can outfit a proper workshop. France fits that bill.

As far as axles on the bikes go- Steel is used on the big bikes because they have forks and hubs designed for giant diameters. As you go up in diameter it makes sense to use a high strength, thin walled tube versus something else because it is so easy to get the stiffness you need, and steel is simple because fatigue is ignored and is one less thing to worry about. Also, real race bikes require frequent tire changes where damaging threads is a very real issue, so steel makes a good choice as the nuts/end bolts can be spun down quick and take large variances in torque while producing safe clamping loads without fear of cross threading or yielding AL threads ... or on titanium, galling between the Ti and steel nut/bolts
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The rear axle on the wheel I am using needs to be 20mm, which is small- the stock Rs250 uses a simple low alloy steel axle. 6AL4V has a yield of at least 850 MPa or more, which will easily match the steel original for strength at a reducting in stiffness of about 50%, which, in my type of rear swingarm design, isn't much of a matter. Fatigue is also not an issue with titanium. There is no mathematical reason it cannot be used, it is often not used for race bikes due to cost and difficultly to machine- extremely difficult to machine with a good finish, and finish is key as the axles fit into bearing bores.

7050 Al is a more fatigue resistant 7-series similar to 7075. Increased copper content gives the increased fatigue life, at cost of slight decrease in corrosion performance IIRC. Again, the design is tailored to the application. The front axle is 25mm and the steel design to fit the original forks (GSX-R forks in this case) was semi-hollow. The Aluminum design needs to be solid most of the way through to keep stresses around the step-down into the bearings low enough to allow for it to have suitable fatigue life (and I'm using some pretty harsh street impact numbers driving those fatigue cases, which it really shouldn't see on a race track ever.) Even with the mostly solid design, the aluminum saves 240 gram over the OEM steel design, at the slight disadvantaged of reduced stiffness. However, with the ridiculously light curb weight of this bike, the stiffness requirements need not be as high as wheel loading is so much lower on track than a big sportbike. I am running very very stiff forks for such a light bike which carry a substantial about of my required CP stiffness in the total front end.

It's easy to move power on a two stroke to different areas of the band- by raising/lowering the ports you are effectively changing the timing, like advancing/retarding a camshaft does to intake/exhaust valves in a four. Putting extra thickness in the base gasket raises the jug, and then taking that extra off the head takes the head back to where it should be- this, along with a pipe tuned for it, raises the power band. This is really needed on supermotos due to the smaller rear tire vs. the stock dirtbike tire lowers the final gearing, and so a standard CR500 engine at 6000RPM in 5th gear with a super moto tire on the rear and a 15/45 sprocket combo will only do about 70mph.

javadog 08-03-2016 01:45 PM

You may be okay on the axles, it depends on how hard you ride the bike. People have been trying them on lightweight race bikes for 40+ years and the fast guys always hated them. You might ponder using a lighter set of forks than the GSX-R ones, which are fairly heavy for a bike of that weight.

I used to have a ti front axle for a slightly older set of GSX-R forks but I peddled it to a Canadian that never rides his bikes (or finished them, for that matter. I guess the one thing leads to the other....)

I know all about tuning 2-strokes and I'd rather buy a motor than build one. It's always easier to build a motor that someone has had success with, than to figure it out for the first time. I've researched CR500 tuners. Most tune the motors for motocross use, so they are not suitable for my needs. If you run across a guy that's built one for roadracing, let me know.

JR

widebody911 08-03-2016 02:14 PM

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motion 08-03-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9225876)
If you run across a guy that's built one for roadracing, let me know.

JR

Curtis Adams was racing a CR500 at Willow Springs this past April in the big AHRMA event. He's located in SoCal.

motion 08-03-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Schumi (Post 9225771)
My wife is from Bretagne and we are moving back to closer to where she is from to look into some real estate renovation projects. I'm semi-retired and just looking for a new journey, living abroad seems like fun, and I need somewhere where real estate is cheap enough so I can outfit a proper workshop. France fits that bill. .

Lucky! France is surprisingly affordable. Good luck on your ventures.

Check this out: 115kg without too much effort. Aprilia RS 250 | eBay

yellowperil 08-17-2016 05:01 PM

I like this
 
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Gogar 08-17-2016 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowperil (Post 9244758)

That looks really great with those big-lip Weinmans on there!

motion 08-19-2016 06:43 AM

Wow, just wow.

motion 08-19-2016 02:27 PM

New scoot! 2009 Aprilia RS125. Zero miles, fresh from the crate.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1471645626.jpg

rfuerst911sc 08-20-2016 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowperil (Post 9244758)

WOOF !!! I like very much !

motion 08-30-2016 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by peteremsley (Post 9247826)
Nice! Is it for riding? Friend of mine went through the hoops to get one legal. It was worth it. A very cool bike!

I'm going to keep all the film protection and miscellany on it, and keep it as a 0 mile, unserviced bike. But, I will source new OEM street legal parts for it. Just a bit of a project... and, I really like doing the leg work for projects like this.

Hard-Deck 08-30-2016 11:59 AM

Motion, I passed on one of those little smokers this spring, which was street legal. I kick myself in the butt for that decision occasionally because I love 2-strokes. I have eight bikes and no more room, and I couldn't kick out any of my RD's or GT's.

Enjoy yours!

Don Ro 08-30-2016 06:08 PM

I'm on this email list - every week or so one comes in.
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Don Ro 08-30-2016 06:11 PM

BTW, I've been looking at buying a 2016 Norton 961 SF for a month or so.
Decided against it...I don't want the drudgery...maybe if/when Mahindra buys them out and they get sorted.

rpsurfr 08-31-2016 07:12 AM

cafe racer
 
1958 Noton frame 61 Bonnie motorhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1472656320.jpg

creaturecat 08-31-2016 11:48 AM

be first in line .........

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1472672876.jpg

javadog 08-31-2016 12:03 PM

Obviously, a little unclear on the concept...

And, an idiot, to boot. Not worth $1,800, let alone $18,000. Professionally appraised at $20,000, my ass.

I had a friend that owned a Yamaha parallel twin like this, way back when, and he made me ride it once. Parallel twins were always a bad idea but I was amazed how much I hated riding it, even for a short distance. Hard to believe they sold so many of the damn things.

JR


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