at least the VP has it right in hindsight
 

The vice president said the biggest mistake the United States has made in the war was underestimating the psychological effect the Saddam Hussein regime had on Iraqi citizens.

"I think we underestimated the extent to which 30 years of Saddam's rule had really hammered the population, especially the Shia population, into submissiveness," he said. "It was very hard for them to stand up and take responsibility in part because anybody who had done that in the past had had their heads chopped off."

Remember 6 months and we would be out of there. What were they smoking, oops, I mean drinking?

I don't recall "six months and out", source?

But anyway, my wife asked if you want her MAC or not. She really has no use for it as she has a G5 and an external HD already.

Just let me know(she will pull the HD though).

Well, I was just going to try to get it running for you to sell it, or give it to a school, or some family member or so you could pull off some of your data from the hard drive. But as she can put that hard drive into the external enclosure, then you can get your old data off. Any idea on cost to ship to San Jose, 95148?



Any war with Iraq would be swift and not require a full US mobilisation, says US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months," he said, speaking at the American air base at Aviano, in northern Italy.
Friday, 7 February, 2003

This was in regards to the invasion only, I've heard that one. Obviously he did not think complete withdrawl would be viable in a day or so.

I'll try to remember the box for tomorrow and I'll get you the info then. I'm off to the watering hole. :D

Here's some more 6 months and we are done.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2884

have a guiness for me.

Quit arguing, you guys!

I forgot the G3:( Tomorrow is another day though.

Anyway, even on the page the references to six months are not in regards to being finished and home. In particular, that page is full of "we'll know alot in six months" statements.

I'm just saying that I think the attempts to remember how this all happened differently......are working.

in the early days of the war strategic thinkers, including many generals, were figuring on 2-4yrs.

Aren't those the generals who got fired?

Rumsfeld said the U.S. military at present is capable "to do the job and finish it fast." Nov. 15, 2002

I think any statement by any admin person talking of the war taking a very short time conveyed to the American people that this was going to be easy, and once Saddam was gone, we would be home very soon thereafter.

It has been the pattern of this admin to be disingenuous, particularly the VP in his references to Saddam and 911 long after everyone else agreed that there was none, and everyone in the admin had been less than candid regarding the possibility that we would still be there now. Of course, they probably believed we would be out by now. That just shows they had forgotten the long history of the area with the age old tribal rivalries.

the issue is oil money and associated power.

So many estimates over the past three years....All wrong.

Watched the interview between the VP and Chris M. It seems that the answers given are hard wired and incapable of being revised.

No.

Which general or generals have been fired at all during Iraq, other than Gen. Karpinski for Abu Graib?