Need to truck car from Phoenix to Atlanta and back.

Elombard · 01-29-2007, 06:56 AM

I am leery of the big rigs that will be starting and moving the cars around. Any got a bud with a pick up and a car trailer and lots of time? We will pay a fair fee.

atlporsche · 01-29-2007, 07:16 AM

I'm out of lots of time...

what's the story?

sjd

id10t · 01-29-2007, 07:31 AM

FWIW, Intercity has a *very* good rep on 356talk and with a few rennlisters who have 356s....

Elombard · 01-29-2007, 07:56 AM

Hey Steve

I have tentatively sold my car to a guy in Phoenix. We are trading his 95 M3 plus some cash and he is doing the transpo. I cant imagine some big fat guy trying to climb in my car with the narrow seats and firing it up for 2 minutes several times a day to move it around and bring cars on and off etc. I want to find some one to do the trans both ways for a decent fee who wont have to touch the car. We will check intercity, if they trust those old 356s then mine will sure be fine.

Its just so hard on a car - especially our cars - to start them for a short time like that over and over.

We were thinking of disconnecting the battery and shipping it as a roller so it cant be messed with, I hear that is more expensive and takes longer because the trip has to be planned much more carefully.

speeder · 01-29-2007, 09:11 AM

Starting a car up for a minute or two to move it causes no damage whatsoever. Where do you hear these things?

What do you think they do at the Ferrari or Porsche dealer when they have to move cars around, (100 times a day)? Carry them?

I could understand concern over the car getting scratched or joy rides, but starting it to move it? I'm confused.

nineoneone · 01-29-2007, 09:40 AM

oil never reachs temperture, no oil in engine,dry sump and it wears on the seals. I think?

Jim Richards · 01-29-2007, 09:46 AM

Erik...road trip!

Elombard · 01-29-2007, 10:39 AM

Your probably right Dennis. But it seems like starting a cold car and not being a little careful could be very hard on this old betty. On a newer car I would not worry as much. What if you had a choke and he did not know how to use it....What if the starter gave up or he left the interior light on and lost battery..it creeps me out thinking about some one who doesnt know or care about the ecentricities of these old cars being entrusted with them.

I thought about the road trip...but 1600 miles ack.

Joeaksa · 01-29-2007, 11:28 AM

When do you need it done? How long is it going to be in ATL? I have a friend with a trailer but not sure if he is available.

If you need it driven might be interested. Am overseas now but will be home in a week or so.

Elombard · 01-29-2007, 12:46 PM

Its actually 2 cars, will only be in Atlanta to off load one and load the other. I would be very interested to talk to your friend about it. Phoenix to Atlanta 1st would be perfect. I think we could make it worth his while?

TerryH · TerryH's Garage

Not to intrude, but I have a car in Los Angeles that needs to go to Atlanta also, so if someone has a multi-car hauler, maybe we can stir some action.

Joeaksa · 01-29-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Elombard
Its actually 2 cars, will only be in Atlanta to off load one and load the other. I would be very interested to talk to your friend about it. Phoenix to Atlanta 1st would be perfect. I think we could make it worth his while?

Email Grant at g2mann2@yahoo.com

Not sure how his schedule is looking but he is a car guy and has moved cars for me before. Known him for years.

Edit, He has a big Ford Diesel truck and very nice flatbed trailer. We usually use it to move airplanes but have moved my 911 and Jag on the trailer as well.

Joe

speeder · 01-29-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by nineoneone
oil never reachs temperture, no oil in engine,dry sump and it wears on the seals. I think?

No oil in the engine????

Jesus, I need to start a *Snopes page* for automotive myths.......

Do you really think that Porsche, (or Yugo for that matter), designed their engines to empty completely of oil when they are shut off, so that they can damage themselves every time you start it? I'll tell you what, do this experiment:

Go outside and remove the drainplug from the bottom of the engine on your 911. Go ahead and put a coffee cup under the drain, in case there are a few drops left inside after shut-off. You shouldn't need anything bigger.

"Dry sump" simply means that the oil tank/resevoir is separate from the engine instead of part of the crankcase. It does not mean that there is not a still a *****load of motor oil inside the motor, covering every moving part. If you ever get the chance to open up a motor, you will see what I mean. The parts are very oily.

As far as the oil being cold, so what? Pour some cold oil on the ground and try to dance on it. Better yet, play twister. I guarantee that you will be bouncing off your tail bone.

I can understand being concerned about some jerk damaging the car during transport, but starting it up for a minute to move it around ain't going to do it. You could start a cold car 500,000 times w/o damaging it. And I have rebuilt more engines than I can remember, and build some of the best ones around IMHSHO.

TerryH · TerryH's Garage

I'd had an argument recently on the subject that most damage done to a motor is on startup. I came across this article .....

"The current trend is the "90% of your engine wear happens at startup" advertising ploy. This fact is absolutely true, but as it happens, it's less to to with "grinding engine parts" and more to do with combustion. When the combustion gases burn, they form acids which are highly corrosive when their vapours condense. These acids collect in the upper cylinder areas where their temperature is raised above their dew point. The acids condense and etch the cylinder walls and piston rings. In reality, this accounts for over 85% of engine wear, the other 15% being down to abrasion. So the adverts are nearly right - most of the engine wear does happen at startup, and it is because of a lack of oil, but it isn't because the oil isn't coating moving parts - it's because it's not transporting these acidic gases away. Having said that, if you start the engine and let it idle for 15 seconds or so before moving off, you can probably add another 100,000 miles to your engine's life."

speeder · 01-29-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by TerryH
I'd had an argument recently on the subject that most damage done to a motor is on startup. I came across this article .....

"The current trend is the "90% of your engine wear happens at startup" advertising ploy. This fact is absolutely true, but as it happens, it's less to to with "grinding engine parts" and more to do with combustion. When the combustion gases burn, they form acids which are highly corrosive when their vapours condense. These acids collect in the upper cylinder areas where their temperature is raised above their dew point. The acids condense and etch the cylinder walls and piston rings. In reality, this accounts for over 85% of engine wear, the other 15% being down to abrasion. So the adverts are nearly right - most of the engine wear does happen at startup, and it is because of a lack of oil, but it isn't because the oil isn't coating moving parts - it's because it's not transporting these acidic gases away. Having said that, if you start the engine and let it idle for 15 seconds or so before moving off, you can probably add another 100,000 miles to your engine's life."

How would the engine know the difference between idling in place and gently motoring away down the street? Common sense tells you not to beat on a car/truck/motorcycle/etc.. when it is cold, but things warm-up a lot faster under even gentle load than just idling in place. Plus you have the advantage of not polluting the environment and wasting fuel w/ no corresponding forward motion, and the transmission/brakes/axles/steering/etc.. can all warm-up as well.

I come from the coldest state in the union, (MN.), and believe me, you want that POS to warm-up as soon as possible when it is 30 degrees below zero. I had a Datsun 510 in college that sat outside and the shifter felt like you were stirring ice cream in a really cold freezer for the first 10 minutes. With a brand-new battery you got *1 shot* at starting the car before it was jumper cable time. Just sating that we know a little about cold starts up there. In a climate like AZ. or GA. you are talking about a non-issue my friend. In your description above, it is a wonder that any engine makes it to the end of its warrantee period w/o exploding. In reality, my 911SC engine bottom end looked brand new @ 130k miles. (Bearings and crank).

atlporsche · 01-29-2007, 05:44 PM

that better be the nicest E36 M3 on the planet...or I'm gonna be mad at you FOREVER.

I'll drive your car out there, and the M3 back...and see my buddy for a weekend.

We'll do it some week I'm not at the track. You pay gas and hotels.

sjd

TerryH · TerryH's Garage

Still, if I need the 911 out of the garage momentarily, I push it out and back in. Old habits, I guess.

Elombard · 07:14 PM

Me too Terry, I hate starting it unless its going to get warmed up...I dont sit there and let it warm up but still :-)

Steve I will give you a call

Joe I shot Grant an E-mail.

speeder · 11:12 PM

Sorry for the hijack, guys; I just really miss a good old-fashioned tech argument. It's been too long since I've been on the tech board.

I'll agree that in a perfect world all engines would start at operating temp w/ pre-loaded oil pressure, but they do OK as it is w/ a little common sense. Now overheating is a different story, that will shave years off the life of any engine.

And I would not want some random, unknown transporter handling the car either; but if you use someone w/ a good rep you'd probably be fine. Obviously record the odometer and make the driver sign-off on it when he picks up the car. An honest driver will not care a bit, and it will give the other kind 2nd thoughts about screwing around. Same w/ a walk-around for scratches, etc..

If I had a trailor I'd do it for you. I have the right tow vehicle.

Joeaksa · 01-29-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by speeder Sorry for the hijack, guys; I just really miss a good old-fashioned tech argument.

If I had a trailor I'd do it for you. I have the right tow vehicle.

We never noticed.

Its spelled trailer.

Pls stay on the "911 tech" board and leave us on the OT forum alone. Its nicer that way!