Kerry trashes US in Switzerland

[fintstone]

Deja vu...Another Democrat trashing his own country (while at war) while on foreign soil. With friends like this...who needs enemies?

In Switzerland today, Senator John Kerry slammed the US calling it an "international pariah."

Later he stated "we set a terrible message of duplicity and hypocrisy."

...and in an another attempt to sabotage the war effort...he stated"We should be less engaged in this 'neocon' rhetoric of regime change and more involved in building relations and living up to our own values so that people make a different judgment about us."

He also criticized American citizens by saying they have the "unfortunate habit" of seeing the world "exclusively through an American lens."

He said a new approach could yet bring great benefits to the United States and other countries.

[K. Roman]

Don't be a tattle tale.

[hardflex]

70% of the US People don't want the War, and probably 90% of the world. So what was it he said that was wrong?

[Rick Lee]

Originally posted by hardflex
So what was it he said that was wrong?

If you have to ask....

[ben parrish]

It really has nothing to do with what any percentage of the US population wants or may believe. He is an elected public official from the United States and he must contain his opinions and show support. He doesn’t have to agree with the current action but he shouldn’t try to undermine the current administration. What he is too arogant to realize is that while he is in the public "eye" he must keep his mouth shut about this crap. Even those that share his views realize that he is not capable of showing deplomacy and constraint; not good things in a public official.
Every time I look at him or hear of something he has said I am reminded that “it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Bottom line, he is a bafoon who needs to remember that showing support of your country is the most powerful thing a politician or citizen can present to the world.

[Rick Lee]

This is far from the first time he's stuck his foot in his mouth while abroad. He is truly a bafoon. He and Jimmy Carter need to have their passports revoked.

[hardflex]

Right on Cue, Sheeple.....

See how easy it is to be Ann Coulter. Certain words push the right buttons and wahla, the Sheeple chime in behind her.

[ben parrish]

No mutton here; capable of independent thought with educated restraint.

[hunter914]

Originally posted by ben parrish
It really has nothing to do with what any percentage of the US population wants or may believe. He is an elected public official from the United States and he must contain his opinions and show support. He doesn’t have to agree with the current action but he shouldn’t try to undermine the current administration. What he is too arogant to realize is that while he is in the public "eye" he must keep his mouth shut about this crap. Even those that share his views realize that he is not capable of showing deplomacy and constraint; not good things in a public official.
Every time I look at him or hear of something he has said I am reminded that “it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Bottom line, he is a bafoon who needs to remember that showing support of your country is the most powerful thing a politician or citizen can present to the world.

Are you sure you wouldn't be more at home in Communist China or Cuba?

Guys, you need to graduate from Basic Democracy 101 where you learn how to pull a lever and vote and move on to more advanced courses like Citizenship where you learn that Speech is critical for the People to own their coutnry and their government of the people, for the people. Stop with the Communo-Fascist "Support the State" crap and instead crack a book and learn upon what grounds this country was founded.

Now skidattle.

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by ben parrish
It really has nothing to do with what any percentage of the US population wants or may believe. He is an elected public official from the United States and he must contain his opinions and show support. He doesn’t have to agree with the current action but he shouldn’t try to undermine the current administration. What he is too arogant to realize is that while he is in the public "eye" he must keep his mouth shut about this crap. Even those that share his views realize that he is not capable of showing deplomacy and constraint; not good things in a public official.
Every time I look at him or hear of something he has said I am reminded that “it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Bottom line, he is a bafoon who needs to remember that showing support of your country is the most powerful thing a politician or citizen can present to the world.

"I am thunderstruck at the extent of your information." In your world, similar to Hiter's germany, it is better to keep your mouth shut than to show opposition against an imperial leader who is bringing death and destruction.

[ben parrish]

hunter914, Why is it that there is always some smart a$$ that thinks they elevate themselves by attacking an individuals opinion? Do you think that insulting comments help promote your stance? Thank you for assuming that I am not educated on the founding ideals of this country. Assumptions are a dangerous thing. Are you sure you are as informed as you believe???????

Speech is our most valuable tool and most destructive tool all at the same time. You need to understand that there is a difference in debating issues within this forum or between countrymen and publicly bashing your country's policies in a foreign land... Sorry, this behavior is unacceptable regardless of your politics. Debate it at home.... A POLOTICIAN must restrain himself in the public eye in a foreign country.
It has NOTHING to do with what this country was founded on. It has EVERYTHING to do with common sense and social responsibility.
It seems that many people have forgotten what social responsibility really means.

Now skidattle.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by ben parrish
hunter914, Why is it that there is always some smart a$$ that thinks they elevate themselves by attacking an individuals opinion? Do you think that insulting comments help promote your stance? Thank you for assuming that I am not educated on the founding ideals of this country. Assumptions are a dangerous thing. Are you sure you are as informed as you believe???????

Speech is our most valuable tool and most destructive tool all at the same time. You need to understand that there is a difference in debating issues within this forum or between countrymen and publicly bashing your country's policies in a foreign land... Sorry, this behavior is unacceptable regardless of your politics. Debate it at home.... A POLOTICIAN must restrain himself in the public eye in a foreign country.
It has NOTHING to do with what this country was founded on. It has EVERYTHING to do with common sense and social responsibility.
It seems that many people have forgotten what social responsibility really means.

Now skidattle.

Ben,

You are correct and its sad that most people do not realize that what you said should be SOP for all of our countries representatives at all times, and especially when overseas.

"Hunted" always acts like this and is a OT Troll. Notice that he always posts on OT and no where else? Ignore him, he has nothing productive to add to most discussions.

Anyway, a sitting US legislator going overseas and speaking like Kerry does is another reason for term limits. He has milked the gravy train all his life and could care less for this country. He lives much of the time overseas and returns to the US only when it benefits him.

Had to laugh that he was going this at the same time when his old team-mate Hanoi Jane was making her speech against this country. They need to get together again. I have a nice keylime pie that might just take both of them out on one swipe.

[Dottore]

Originally posted by fintstone
Deja vu...Another Democrat trashing his own country (while at war) while on foreign soil. With friends like this...who needs enemies?

In Switzerland today, Senator John Kerry slammed the US calling it an "international pariah."

Later he stated "we set a terrible message of duplicity and hypocrisy."

...and in an another attempt to sabotage the war effort...he stated"We should be less engaged in this 'neocon' rhetoric of regime change and more involved in building relations and living up to our own values so that people make a different judgment about us."

He also criticized American citizens by saying they have the "unfortunate habit" of seeing the world "exclusively through an American lens."

He said a new approach could yet bring great benefits to the United States and other countries.

Personally I find such occasional honesty in a politician refreshing.

[ben parrish]

Give me a break. Do you people really think that I am against freedom of speech? Do you really think I believe that you shouldn't question or disagree with our governments' policies? My god, Get a grip!!

We are talking about a United States elected official, in a foreign land running his mouth about how misguided our president and policies are.

To be honest, I agree with Kerry assessment that:
"We should be more involved in building relations and living up to our own values so that people make a different judgment about us."
I just disagree with his forum. What are the Swiss going to do about it?

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by ben parrish


We are talking about a United States elected official, in a foreign land running his mouth about how misguided our president and policies are.

absolutely! someone has to do it.

[ben parrish]

"absolutely! someone has to do it."

You just don't get it, do you?
HE chose the wrong forum to deliver HIS OPINIONS.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by on-ramp
absolutely! someone has to do it.

But not in another country. That just is not right and anyone who feels this way needs to be hired at the "dog catcher" level.

These people are representatives of our country and need to have a certain level of respect about them. Kerry, Carter and so on do not.

[john70t]

I'd heard that the only other countries in history that had a pledge of allegience were: Nazi Germany and Musolini Italy.

If the majority of the population is against the war, isn't that a perfect example of majority rule, i.e. democracy?
Isn't the ability to talk about and be critical of one's countries policies free speech, i.e. democracy?
Democracy what we started that fiasco for, isn't it?

[Dottore]

Originally posted by ben parrish
"absolutely! someone has to do it."

You just don't get it, do you?
HE chose the wrong forum to deliver HIS OPINIONS.

Sorry mate - but you don't get it.

He's and adult. He's a Democrat. He disagrees with the policies of the current administration. He can be as critical about it as he wishes in whatever forum he chooses.

That the US has become an" international pariah"in relation to Iraq is merely a statement of fact. Just travel the world and talk to people. There is nothing controversial about this.

And is the US sending "a terrible message of duplicity and hypocracy"? Absolutely! This is also a statement of fact.

So don't get your knickers in a twist over some harmless non-controversial comments made by a US politician abroad.

It's ridiculous to suggest that every US politician abroad should tow the Bush party line. (You already have your emasculated media for that.)

[Rick Lee]

Free speech aside, we do have a representative form of government and despite all the meaningless polls that say so many people are against the war, many of the war's biggest critics voted FOR it, chief among them, John Kerry, and the president who initiatied it was REELECTED over John Kerry. These guys don't have to follow polls, since they have terms of office that tend to outlast polls. It's no undemocratic to do what you think is right, regardless of what polls say. But it is unpatriotic to say such things abroad while troops are deployed. How would like you to be a soldier in Iraq and hear the constant criticism in the news, when you think you're doing a noble job? How would you like to watch your new, unanimously-confirmed Gen. Petraeus tell the Senate not to pass some non-binding resolution because it would embolden the enemy and demoralize US troops and then watch the Senate do it right after they confirm Petreaus? Disgusting.