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Originally posted by RoninLB
Sen Levin's bs has been proved wrong by a 2004 Sen Intelligence Comm report, the Robb-Silberman Comm, and last week the Defense Dept Inspector General said to Congress that Feith's actions were authorized.

Authorized doesn't mean lawful. Further, the DoD IG report is incorrect about the legality of the "stovepiped" phony intelligence. It's a felony to falsify a government document. The Intelligence reports are such documents, knowlingly generating fraudulent reports is against the law. The IG erred in it's statement of legality.

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The issue with attacking Iraq was WMD stockpiles. CIA Dir Tenet said it was a "slam dunk" that Saddam had such stockpiles. Bush relied upon CIA for making his case for war.

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Tenant is a notorious political hack, a D.C. survivor in the genre of "Blackjack" Bill Bennett.

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afaik in the intelligence business almost nothing is certain. Before 9/11 the CIA's intel consensus was that terrorism was a minor problem.

That's incorrect. Known facts, operations, materiel, and events, that have occured in the past, aren't guesses. The guesses are what those facts portend for the future. That said, there are likely scenarios, less likely scenarios, and next to impossible scenarios. The Iraq WMD fraud was well known to be the latter.

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Sen Levin is a political hack.

Except for Congressman Ron Paul, they all are.

There are no new ideas, only revisited ones. A fav quote (but a fake) is:

'Every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganization … and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization'.
-Petronius Arbitor, 210BC

messing with us
because they can, and do it well.
Dafur isn't afraid to tell us to pi!ss of, neither is NATO, or anyone else
we have become Tabs retards in the world stairway..
and it's watch this ..
we may have the toys, we don't have the stomach.
Rika

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Originally posted by fastpat
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afaik in the intelligence business almost nothing is certain. Before 9/11 the CIA's intel consensus was that terrorism was a minor problem.

[b]That's incorrect. Known facts, operations, materiel, and events, that have occured in the past, aren't guesses. The guesses are what those facts portend for the future. That said, there are likely scenarios, less likely scenarios, and next to impossible scenarios. The Iraq WMD fraud was well known to be the latter.

CIA Near East chief analyst Paul Pillar led the consensus on terrorism.

Your "fraud" is what Cold War strategist Albert Wohlstetter called the product of the lowest common demominator that may lead to politicizing judgements when they turn out not to be true.