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JonT 02-14-2007 09:49 AM

He's setting us up...
 
One take I have not seen on OT on the subject of Osama Bin Laden--It seems to me that he has not attacked the US because he knows the US can't stomach the ongoing war in Iraq with the media reporting only negative news everyday. We are our own worst enemy.

If there were another attack then the public would reverse their attitudes and demand some type of military retaliation. In the meantime the Democrats have gained control of Congress and most likely the President in 2008 riding their anti-war themes.

Well guess what happens when the Democrats have control of President and Congress? Continued attacks on US on our soil and abroad with no expectation of military retaliation because he knows the Democratic President and Congress just won their elections bashing the war monger GWB. I hope I'm wrong.

stevepaa 02-14-2007 09:50 AM

Yes, your logic is wrong. He waited until a Republican was at the helm with a Republican Congress.

Moneyguy1 02-14-2007 09:51 AM

I hope you are wrong as well. I personally do not see much difference between the two parties and their ability to wage war. WW II and Korea come to mind.

IROC 02-14-2007 09:58 AM

I think many people underestimate the will of the American people. I can guarantee you that another attack on US soil would result in retaliation. Iraq was a waste of time and had nothing to do with OBL or 9/11.

I think OBL is sitting back and admiring how well his plans are working. We fell right into his trap. He convinced a small handful of radical followers to fly planes into buildings and then sat back to watch us self-destruct. Look at the money spent (wasted?) in Iraq and the subsequent division in this country these days. Look at the clout the US enjoys around the world now (virtually none unless we threaten with a big stick). We have done this to ourselves...

Rick Lee 02-14-2007 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
Yes, your logic is wrong. He waited until a Republican was at the helm with a Republican Congress.
The 9/11 plot was hatched before Clinton was even into his second term as president and Bush into his second term as gov. of TX. I highly doubt the date had anything to do with who would be president at the time. In fact, had Clinton or Bush taken OBL out before 9/11, it probably would not have prevented the attack.

M.D. Holloway 02-14-2007 10:10 AM

Re: He's setting us up...
 
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Originally posted by JonT
...Well guess what happens when the Democrats have control of President and Congress?
Not sure I will be around in the 22nd century...

fastpat 02-14-2007 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
Yes, your logic is wrong. He waited until a Republican was at the helm with a Republican Congress.
More accurately, he waited until the Bush crime family was in the White House again. Though the attack had been in the planning stages for years, and would likely have occured eventually in any case, that a Bush won the election put the plan on the fast track.

Jim Richards 02-14-2007 10:11 AM

Rick's right. Had Congress not been so focused on a Clinton BJ from a porky intern, and assailing him for trying to divert attention from said BJ by making a feeble attempt to intoduce OBL and friends to some nice cruise missles, 9/11 may never have happened. But that, as they say, is history.

Rick Lee 02-14-2007 10:18 AM

Wrong Jim. 9/11 was planned even before the Starr investigation. In fact, some of our guys had OBL in their sights around that time, were ready to take the whole camp out and Sandy Burglar told them to hold off because our guys reported seeing swing sets and children's toys in the camp they were targeting.

Jim Richards 02-14-2007 10:20 AM

Bwahahahahaha!

stevepaa 02-14-2007 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Rick Lee
The 9/11 plot was hatched before Clinton was even into his second term as president and Bush into his second term as gov. of TX. I highly doubt the date had anything to do with who would be president at the time. In fact, had Clinton or Bush taken OBL out before 9/11, it probably would not have prevented the attack.
exactly. OBL does not determine his actions based upon who is in control.

therotman 02-14-2007 10:27 AM

With that logic he would never attack us again so we don't ever vote republican again!

Jeff Higgins 02-14-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
exactly. OBL does not determine his actions based upon who is in control.
Exactly. Some of you guys get so caught up in your party politics that you somehow convince yourselves some one like Bin Ladin gives a *****. He sees us as being all the same; Americans. Seems he might have a better grasp of that concept than we do...

Dottore 02-14-2007 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by Jim Richards
Rick's right. Had Congress not been so focused on a Clinton BJ from a porky intern, and assailing him for trying to divert attention from said BJ by making a feeble attempt to intoduce OBL and friends to some nice cruise missles, 9/11 may never have happened. But that, as they say, is history.

I love it! So Monica's to blame for the war in Iraq.

I knew she was trouble the moment I first laid eyes on her.

fastpat 02-14-2007 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Dottore
I love it! So Monica's to blame for the war in Iraq.

I knew she was trouble the moment I first laid eyes on her.

She wasn't fat when I first knew her, but she couldn't stop talking "most" of the time. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/.../smileysex.gif

Jim Richards 02-14-2007 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by Dottore
I love it! So Monica's to blame for the war in Iraq.
Well, it's too early to be blaming it on the easter bunny.

lendaddy 02-14-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by IROC
I can guarantee you that another attack on US soil would result in retaliation.
Against who? I thought AQ didn't have any soil? You sound like a Neocon.

IROC 02-14-2007 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Against who? I thought AQ didn't have any soil? You sound like a Neocon.
I said "on US soil". We have soil, right? What are you talking about?

lendaddy 02-14-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by IROC
I said "on US soil". We have soil, right? What are you talking about?
Your retaliation.....who would you retailiate against?

Scooter 02-14-2007 12:38 PM

Re: He's setting us up...
 
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Originally posted by JonT
...and most likely the President in 2008...
Not.

Jim Richards 02-14-2007 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Your retaliation.....who would you retailiate against?
There's little worthless rodent that I'd love to see nuked...
http://www.punxsutawneyphil.com/

IROC 02-14-2007 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Your retaliation.....who would you retailiate against?
Is this a trick question? I would retaliate against the people who attacked us. Who would you suggest? Some country (like Iraq) that had nothing to do with the attack in the first place?

Porsche-O-Phile 02-14-2007 01:39 PM

Nah, let's just retaliate against whomever seems to have some oil. How 'bout Kuwait? Maybe UAE? Yeah! UAE - they got money too!

Flatbutt1 02-14-2007 01:42 PM

If anybody is setting us up its GWB. He now "believes" that Iran is sending weapons to the Iraqi insurgency. Just like he believed in the WMDs.

lendaddy 02-14-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by IROC
Is this a trick question? I would retaliate against the people who attacked us. Who would you suggest? Some country (like Iraq) that had nothing to do with the attack in the first place?
Afganistan was retaliation for 9/11, Iraq was not.

But anyway, say we were attacked tomorrow in Chicago or something by AQ........how would you retaliate and where?

tabs 02-14-2007 02:41 PM

The Liberals on ths Board are either playin the Conservatives or are really Retards. Osma coulda cared less who was in the WH, that attack was in the works for several years before it took place and was gona take place whether it was Gore or Bush in the WH.

Osma and his Crew view Americans as being Chicken ***** cut and run artists, who run away as soon as the goin gets tough. Anybody here wana tell me thats not true? If it can't be resolved in the time it takes a TV Drama to be aired Amricans want OUT. If Americans were tough they wouldn't be cryin about Iraq and certainly wouldn't be cryin about 3000 dead.

NOw U Boyz know me and know I'm not a Liberal and am not a Conservative. I try and see it the way it plays, and most of the time the Conservatives have a clearer idea of whats goin down than the Liberals. LIberals seem to believe that your oponents can be reasoned with and deals can be struck. While that is true in somecases, its dead wrong headed to think all your oponents are going to play by your rules. Some oponents may tell you, "Yeah you have a Treaty." eg the North Koreans while they go and do the oposite of what U agreed upon. Some may just wana kill you, and no amount of UNDERSTANDING them and no amount of compromise with them is going to apppease them.

Islam is a very unstable Religion that has a LONG HISTORY of using violence as the means to an end. This is a case where thier attitude is that either you prevail by the sword or you perish by the sword, and no quarter is given. Osama is playing by a whole set of different rules than Americans play by. We Americans just don't get it.


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