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speeder 02-16-2007 05:32 PM

Pilot and passengers attack armed hijacker and win:
 
This one worked out right:

http://www.startribune.com/722/story/1007050.html

bivenator 02-16-2007 05:37 PM

Johnnie Depp will play the pilot in an upcoming movie. Good ending I hear.

Dantilla 02-16-2007 05:41 PM

Every passenger on an airplane today is a deputy.

The days of easy hijacking are over.

Joeaksa 02-16-2007 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dantilla
Every passenger on an airplane today is a deputy.

The days of easy hijacking are over.

+1 and its too bad that everyone was not armed! The days of easy hijacking are really over.

Aurel 02-16-2007 05:56 PM

Hijackers should be fed to the plane reactors, by the crew members. Maybe that would dissuade them...

Aurel

SLO-BOB 02-16-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Aurel
Hijackers should be fed to the plane reactors, by the crew members. Maybe that would dissuade them...

Aurel

...or force fed the dry, tasteless things they try to pass off as peanuts.

dafischer 02-16-2007 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joeaksa
+1 and its too bad that everyone was not armed! The days of easy hijacking are really over.
Yep...they could have all shot the loser in mid flight, put a few holes through the fuselage in the process, and ended the problem for everyone quickly and decisively.

-1

Edited for scoring.

the 02-16-2007 09:00 PM

that'd be a great invention - aircraft bullets - hard enough to penetrate the soft and juicy organs of a human, but soft enough to not penetrate the fuselage.

Evans, Marv 02-16-2007 09:09 PM

I think the already have those.

Danny_Ocean 02-16-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the
that'd be a great invention - aircraft bullets - hard enough to penetrate the soft and juicy organs of a human, but soft enough to not penetrate the fuselage.
Sorry...it's been done:

http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/media/glaser_ammo.jpg

the 02-16-2007 09:28 PM

They stole my idea!

speeder 02-16-2007 11:22 PM

Tiny holes from bullets would not have much effect on the pressurization of a commercial airliner cabin, from what I understand. And that's if any rounds even pierce the fuselage, what with all the upholstered furniture and bodies in its way.

Any of the people on those planes on 9/11 would have been glad to have had their plane ventilated like swiss cheese if it meant killing those bastards.

Basquiat 02-16-2007 11:47 PM

I saw this in the news. Great job on their part! Though obviously some folks, in other situations might go overbaord doing this, by and large I'm glad to see groups of people defending themselves in the wake of 9/11.

Dantilla 02-17-2007 04:50 AM

A few bullet holes in a pressurized airplane would not make a difference to the pressure system. They are already quite leaky, and the pressure is continually being pumped into the cabin to maintain pressure.

Not that I am for staging duals in flight or anything like that, it's just not the big deal that Hollywood has made it out to be.

Jims5543 02-17-2007 04:58 AM

Anyone else wonder how he got 2 guns on the plane?

Porsche-O-Phile 02-17-2007 05:25 AM

Excellent outcome!

As far as the low-velocity shells go, yes they've been around for years. The standard issue sidearm for Air Marshalls for many years was the "AirGuard" revolver, with low-V bullets. Still, if one is fired too close to a window or other sensitive area, you can get a decompression problem. Nothing's perfect.

SLO-BOB 02-17-2007 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by speeder
Tiny holes from bullets would not have much effect on the pressurization of a commercial airliner cabin
Wrong. I saw Goldfinger get sucked right out that little window!

Porsche-O-Phile 02-17-2007 06:00 AM

A guy speaking Arabic with a first name of "Muhammed". Hmm. What a surprise, right?

Basquiat 02-17-2007 06:01 AM

Sub-Sonic frangible rounds are used often in black/spec. ops. They don't go through and they are silent when used with a suppressor. Same stuff is perfect for both airplanes and inside an apartment or house w/ drywall. Close range velocity can kill someone in a different room...like your kid.
<<<<<uses 12gauge shot gun for home defense.

Vipergrün 02-17-2007 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by speeder
Tiny holes from bullets would not have much effect on the pressurization of a commercial airliner cabin, from what I understand. And that's if any rounds even pierce the fuselage, what with all the upholstered furniture and bodies in its way......<snip>



Yep, proven on Mythbusters, rather interesting experiments they tried....

Paco Anton 02-17-2007 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
A guy speaking Arabic with a first name of "Muhammed". Hmm. What a surprise, right?
While I'm not surprised at all, if you read carefully the news:

"As Capt. Ahmedou Muhammad Lemine landed the Air Mauritania Boeing 737..."

...The flight was headed for Gran Canaria, one of Spain's Canary Islands, with a stopover planned in Nouadhibou in northern Mauritania."

The plane was full of muslims. Guess not all of them are terrorists.

While this happened, in my city Madrid we are holding the largest muslim terrorist trial, judging the responsibles of the Madrid train bombings. Tens of thousands of years are being asked by the prosecutors for each participant in the bombings.

Moneyguy1 02-17-2007 09:40 AM

Love them Mythbusters!!!!

red-beard 02-17-2007 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Paco Anton
While this happened, in my city Madrid we are holding the largest muslim terrorist trial, judging the responsibles of the Madrid train bombings. Tens of thousands of years are being asked by the prosecutors for each participant in the bombings.
One bullet would be better, after letting the family members of those they killed, have some time with them.

red-beard 02-17-2007 10:22 AM

Oh, and if an airline Capt. thinks passengers should be armed, why wouldn't you agree?

rammstein 02-17-2007 01:57 PM

You all beat me to it- Mythbusters clearly demonstrated that the small bullet holes wouldn't be a big deal. Not as big a deal as the loose nut hijacker.

They threw boiling water in his face- NICE!!!!

I smiled when I read this- I believe hijacking's successful days are long over-with.

Porsche-O-Phile 02-17-2007 03:13 PM

True that. Nobody said they all are. However I think the more interesting (and telling) statistic would be "what percentage of the world's terrorists ARE Muslim" versus "what percentage of the world's Muslims are terrorists".

Clearly there's something about this Islam thing (or religion in general) that leads a disproportionate number of its "followers" to violent terrorist acts.

nostatic 02-17-2007 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Jim Cesiro
Anyone else wonder how he got 2 guns on the plane?
they were 7mm pistols. The TSA screening is set for 8mm and above...

Jims5543 02-17-2007 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by nostatic
they were 7mm pistols. The TSA screening is set for 8mm and above...
You kidding right?

I mean you cannot carry a Red Bull through security but a 7mm pistol is o.k.?

SLO-BOB 02-17-2007 03:31 PM

yes. he's kidding.

SLO-BOB 02-17-2007 03:38 PM

My favorite sentence so far this year-


The forewarned passengers and crew threw boiling water from a coffee maker onto the man's face and chest, then beat him into submission.

Moneyguy1 02-17-2007 05:53 PM

But they left him alive, opening themselves up for lawsuits.

hytem 02-17-2007 07:06 PM

I doubt that air hijacking will ever work again. The passengers will react as though they are dead anyways, and they will rush the hijackers, no matter what. Not that we don't need airport security--I think it's also a deterrent.

Sonic dB 02-17-2007 07:17 PM

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Oh, and if an airline Capt. thinks passengers should be armed, why wouldn't you agree?
Geeze I hope you are kidding around....

Let the air marshalls have the guns.
Thats what they are paid to carry.

red-beard 02-18-2007 04:04 AM

We're not

Joeaksa 02-18-2007 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
True that. Nobody said they all are. However I think the more interesting (and telling) statistic would be "what percentage of the world's terrorists ARE Muslim" versus "what percentage of the world's Muslims are terrorists".

Clearly there's something about this Islam thing (or religion in general) that leads a disproportionate number of its "followers" to violent terrorist acts.

Just make sure that you add that this sort of thing would never happen in Chicago. "Those" muslims are peaceful and a totally different sort of cat...

Sonic

A fair number of pilots have taken this into their own hands. They have taken their own vacation time, traveled to the school at their expense, bought the weapon themselves and gone through extensive training to carry weapons IN THE COCKPIT to defend themselves, the airplane and passengers.

You cannot put a sky marshall on every flight, there just are not enough available (know as a very good friend of mine is a SM) to cover every flight. ARM THE PILOTS!

The Federal law has stated since the 1930's that any airplane carrying US Mail the pilot should be armed to protect it, but this died out in the 1950's. Armed pilots have been in the planes for over 3 years and there has not been ONE incident in this time. If we are responsible enough to fly the plane, then please tell me why we are not responsible enough to carry a weapon in the cockpit?

Personally I wish that every flight crew member be armed, flight attendents included. Advertise the fact and tell anyone who even thinks that they want to hijack a plane about it. Hijacking a plane today is a death sentenance, and thats the way it should be.

We just make sure that they die without making themselves a martyr, so that they do not visit Allah, the 72 virgins or the gold...

David 02-18-2007 09:37 AM

After 9/11 a guy I work with (100% Texan) who's about 6'3" 220lbs, made sure he had the front seat on a flight facing the cabin. When the pilot came out to look in the cabin before take off, he told the pilot, "you take care of things up there and I'll take care of things back here." He said the pilot looked relieved.

Another guy I work with who's very blue collar said the only time he's flown first class was right after 9/11. A stewardess came out into the waiting area and picked the biggest (appearantly white) men she found and upgraded them to 1st class.

I agree the days of hijacking a plane in the US are over. We now know to take care of business in the air and not wait for the landing.


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