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Bill Verburg 03-08-2007 02:18 PM

An inconvienient truth
 
<img src="http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/histGraphAll?day=1&year=2007&month=2&dayend=8&year end=2007&monthend=3&ID=KALB&type=6"

Since Feb 1, there has been exactly 1 day where the temp reached the 100yr average high at my house

fastpat 03-08-2007 02:46 PM

I've heard it's been a bit chilly in New York, vineyard owners are worried about surviving vines.

ckissick 03-08-2007 04:03 PM

We've had the coldest winter in many, many years here. By cold, I mean we have had no shirt sleeve days at the beach. But colder than normal for us.

DanielDudley 03-08-2007 04:31 PM

I'm hoping for in like a lion, out like a convertible.

TimT 03-08-2007 04:34 PM

Hubbarton, Vermont at 7 am this morning..

btw that thermometer reads high :eek:

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fastpat 03-08-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by TimT
Hubbarton, Vermont at 7 am this morning..

btw that thermometer reads high :eek:

Holy molely, dat's cold. It was about 65F here today, genuine T-shirt weather. Next two days are 55F and 62F predicted. The peach trees are just about to break bud.

BlueSkyJaunte 03-08-2007 05:27 PM

It hit 88 today.

kach22i 03-08-2007 06:25 PM

Bill Verburg; part of the "Climate Change" scenario is the weather patterns change. Some places get too much rain (or snow), others experience drought. Also some places get warmer, some colder.............gotta look outside your own backyard and look at the planet as a whole. Of course you would know all this had you seen the movie.;)

http://www.greatdreams.com/drought_and_heat.htm
http://www.greatdreams.com/drought-2004.gif

ikarcuaso 03-08-2007 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ckissick
We've had the coldest winter in many, many years here. By cold, I mean we have had no shirt sleeve days at the beach. But colder than normal for us.
...WAY colder...and the most brutal heatwave last summer that I've experienced in my 40+ years around here. OK, not scientific, but clearly some unusual stuff.

CurtEgerer 03-08-2007 07:25 PM

NOAA Facts:

"The average temperature (for the entire United States) in February 2007 was 32.9 F. This was -1.8 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 34th coolest February in 113 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.3 degrees Fahrenheit per decade."

Is the global warming fad over yet? I liked the overpopulation/starvation fad of the 70's, the New Ice Age fad of the 80's, and the China Syndrome fad a lot better. Although the Asteroid Colliding With Earth doom & gloom scenario has really been getting some media traction lately .... :cool:

fastpat 03-08-2007 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by CurtEgerer
Although the Asteroid Colliding With Earth doom & gloom scenario has really been getting some media traction lately .... :cool:
This, while not an immediate threat, is the most likely event to cause catastrophic weather changes on this planet. It's happened at least once in the past.

Near earth objects are tracked by NASA. You can go to their web site and see the paths these objects take when they pass, and the distance they actually came, or are predicted to come, to our planet.
http://neat.jpl.nasa.gov/

It's not new, I've visited the web site for at least ten years, about once a year.

livi 03-09-2007 12:09 AM

All part of the Big Guy shuffling the deck. Just for the Hell of it.

Sweden has enjoyed the mildest winter in more than half a century. Record after record broken.

nota 03-09-2007 04:54 AM

local temps has zero to do with GLOBAL AVG WARMING
gee it gets cold in winter what a non=news flash
in fact the extra energy in the system will produce
more snow and colder LOCAL temps

75 here expected to go over 80 again today
I would say move south
but extra hurricanes intill the waters rise
and south fla floods make that a bad idea long term
but few neo-conned understand long term effects
or they would not support VOODOO ideas

jluetjen 03-09-2007 05:19 AM

Does Daylight Savings Time Contribute to Global Warming?
 
Personally, I've always noticed that our springs never get going until the switch to Daylight Savings Time. I suspect that it has something to do with the extra hour of daylight in the afternoon and evening (the warmest part of the day) which generally triggers the leaves coming out on the trees and the widespread melting of snow. The fact that we lose an hour of daylight (temporarily) in the mornings is not such a big deal since that's usually the coldest part of the day. Since we're starting DST three weeks earlier this year, I'm expecting an early and mild spring.

So should the US repeal DST in order to combat global warming???


























;) :rolleyes:

fastpat 03-09-2007 06:15 AM

Re: Does Daylight Savings Time Contribute to Global Warming?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by jluetjen
Personally, I've always noticed that our springs never get going until the switch to Daylight Savings Time. I suspect that it has something to do with the extra hour of daylight in the afternoon and evening (the warmest part of the day) which generally triggers the leaves coming out on the trees and the widespread melting of snow. The fact that we lose an hour of daylight (temporarily) in the mornings is not such a big deal since that's usually the coldest part of the day. Since we're starting DST three weeks earlier this year, I'm expecting an early and mild spring.

So should the US repeal DST in order to combat global warming???
;) :rolleyes:

I say yes, this needs to happen before it's tooooooooooooo laaaaaaaaaaaate.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat.gif

Superman 03-09-2007 08:05 AM

Again, I marvel at how much smarter you guys are than the scientists who study these matters. They think there is global warming, but you guys have proven that it's just the opposite. Global cooling. Boy are those scientists going to be embarrassed.

The Gaijin 03-09-2007 08:15 AM

No the Harved co-eds who posed nude for the Phrenologists are the ones embarrassed. The scientists were just smiling. Global cooling, global warming has been going on forever.. All we want is some perspective and less hype.

thrown_hammer 03-09-2007 08:38 AM

Okay if the Earth is actually cooler then where in the heck are all the Pirates Mr. Smarty Pants?

sammyg2 03-09-2007 08:40 AM

If we only had more pirates ;)

tabs 03-09-2007 09:02 AM

The Magma Chamber under Yellowstone National Park decided to surface it would undoubtly get everyones attention as well.

fastpat 03-09-2007 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Superman
Again, I marvel at how much smarter you guys are than the scientists who study these matters. They think there is global warming, but you guys have proven that it's just the opposite. Global cooling. Boy are those scientists going to be embarrassed.
I doubt that, wacky Paul Ehrlich still holds his tenured professorship at Stanford, without a scintilla of embarassment to be seen.

fastpat 03-09-2007 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thrown_hammer
Okay if the Earth is actually cooler then where in the heck are all the Pirates Mr. Smarty Pants?
Where all de naked co-eds at?

Jim Richards 03-09-2007 02:56 PM

Re: Does Daylight Savings Time Contribute to Global Warming?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by jluetjen
Personally, I've always noticed that our springs never get going until the switch to Daylight Savings Time. I suspect that it has something to do with the extra hour of daylight in the afternoon and evening (the warmest part of the day) which generally triggers the leaves coming out on the trees and the widespread melting of snow.
John, I wasn't sure about how much of your post was included with the ;) ; however, you're aware that the duration of daylight each day only grows by ~2 minutes/day and has nothing to do with DST (clock changes), right? :)

Jim Richards 03-09-2007 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fastpat
Where all de naked co-eds at?
Hell yeah! :D

Joeaksa 03-09-2007 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
It hit 88 today.
Looking for 88 over the weekend. Typical Arizona weather and perfect for an engine drop!...

72doug2,2S 03-09-2007 07:15 PM

Hotter weather means more days out with the 911, I'm failing to see a problem at all.

Tobra 03-09-2007 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Superman
Again, I marvel at how much smarter you guys are than the scientists who study these matters. They think there is global warming, but you guys have proven that it's just the opposite. Global cooling. Boy are those scientists going to be embarrassed.
As I understand it, there are a number of theories regarding exactly what is happening and why. Again, I marvel at how you can talk so much and say so little.

Our understanding of weather and climate is still pretty rudimentary, even with all those smart scientists pondering it pretty intensely. A lot of the information points us in different directions, it is tough to say how one thing impacts a large and complex system, like global climate. A lot of the predictions made are WAG's at best(That is Wild Ass Guesses, for those of you who were surprised about Gore's "documentary" winning an Oscar). As someone said above, you really have to look at the big picture.

Just because it is nice and warm this winter in Nebraska or whatever, does not mean the world is getting warmer, and a cold winter in Mexico does not mean the whole world is cooling off.

cantdrv55 03-09-2007 08:43 PM

Why does temp change have to be either cyclical or caused by man? Why couldn't it just be random?

fastpat 03-10-2007 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cantdrv55
Why does temp change have to be either cyclical or caused by man? Why couldn't it just be random?
Random cycles are the rule. See "Chaos Theory".

Bill Verburg 03-10-2007 06:27 AM

http://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg

roadhog 03-10-2007 07:05 AM

jluetjen,+1 on repeal ,good theory.

Tobar, I recommend a SWAG (scientific wild a$$ guess) for a subject this important.

jluetjen 03-10-2007 09:39 AM

Re: Re: Does Daylight Savings Time Contribute to Global Warming?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
John, I wasn't sure about how much of your post was included with the ;) ; however, you're aware that the duration of daylight each day only grows by ~2 minutes/day and has nothing to do with DST (clock changes), right? :)

Uhhhhh..... Never mind! :rolleyes:

72doug2,2S 03-12-2007 05:21 AM

This film, Inconvenient Truth has nothing on the original Japanese Sci-Fi 56' "Warning from Space." It's nice to have this film in an original language English, because the Japanese translation gets lost a little.

I'm not sure replacing Keizo Kawasaki and Toyomi Karita helped Gore's film any. In the end it's just another rehash the 1956 film with Al Gore warning the people of earth instead of Star shaped aliens from outer-space.

Come to think of it, perhaps it's all pretty much the same as the original.

SmileWavy

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Rick Lee 03-12-2007 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tabs
The Magma Chamber under Yellowstone National Park decided to surface it would undoubtly get everyones attention as well.
+1000. WHEN, not if, this happens, the explosion is expected to 2500x greater than that of Mt. St. Helens in 1980 and the ash cloud will cool the Earth by 20-30 degrees in a matter of weeks. Nothing we do to combat global warming over hundreds of years will have anything close to the effect that this caldera eruption will have in a few weeks. IIRC, it blows every 600k years and is 40k yrs. overdue now. It's just insane how arrogant humans are in thinking we can control this stuff and how important we are.


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