It must be tough being a Conservative these days

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Today's Conservative is:

Strong on Pro Choice
Strong on Gays not being able to marry
Strong on tort reform

Weak on:
National Defense with a completely open southern border and 5% of all incoming cargo screened

Waging war, sending 150K troops to the work of 300K

Military, sending soldiers to war improperly equipped without enough training, without enough downtime in between tours

Spending, from a bridge to nowhere to, well just about anything. 70s-style Democrats would be proud.

Education, teaching kids to take tests rather than learn how to think and compete with China and India putting out 5 to 10 times the amount of "by the numbers" engineers

Energy with no unified, national initiative to lessen our need for foreign oil

Righteous Retribution with OBL still roaming free. Guess those 3K who died really did for nothing, except we got a war out of it.

Moral Authority with torture, wiretapping and Berlin-style walls being erected

what else?



what do Conservatives stand for these days? I can really see why all the Republican candidates, from lifetime hunter Romney to closet Democrat Rudy, mmm, who else is in the race...are being ignored by the public.


What's the Republican platform going to be in 08?

[Moneyguy1]

Appx. 26% of the public has faith in our leadership. Roughly the same percentage believe we have been visited by aliens.

Ya gotta love statistics!!!

[s_wilwerding]

You use conservative and Republican interchangeably, and I don't think they are. Very few of the Republicans in power (including the President) are conservative, at least fiscally conservative.

I would classify myself as a Reagan Republican - I believe in strong national defense, smaller government, and lower taxes. Most "Republicans" now may believe in one of those things, but not all three.

I think a lot of the other problems - federally mandated schooling, gay marriage, etc. would be helped a lot if the federal government stayed out of it (as they would under a smaller government) and left it to cities/counties/states.

[DaveE]

Reagan was big on spending money he didn't have also.

[Moneyguy1]

Steve:

Kudos. The two labels most often applied are no longer of any relevance, used only to "categorize", generally by themselves. One poster said they are "x" because they do not agree with the philosophy of "y", when "x" and "y" can hardly be told apart . Labels are best used when the labeler has no cogent argument. Reagan and Goldwater are spinning in their graves at what the GOP has morphed into.

[s_wilwerding]

Originally posted by DaveE
Reagan was big on spending money he didn't have also.

That's true, but he did get us out of a terrible recession/inflationary period and built the military back up from almost nothing.

I just finished a book called Buck Wild about how the Republicans today have completely lost the idea of fiscal conservatism. Reagan tried to get a lot the federal budget cut, but had little success against the Democratic Congress.

[Joeaksa]

Not tough at all. We have to save this country from jerks like Reid and Peloisi...

Conservatives never give up and never say die... you guys should be glad we are here to save you ONCE MORE!

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Today's Conservative is:

Strong on Pro Choice
Strong on Gays not being able to marry
Strong on tort reform

Weak on:
National Defense with a completely open southern border and 5% of all incoming cargo screened

Waging war, sending 150K troops to the work of 300K

Military, sending soldiers to war improperly equipped without enough training, without enough downtime in between tours

Spending, from a bridge to nowhere to, well just about anything. 70s-style Democrats would be proud.

Education, teaching kids to take tests rather than learn how to think and compete with China and India putting out 5 to 10 times the amount of "by the numbers" engineers

Energy with no unified, national initiative to lessen our need for foreign oil

Righteous Retribution with OBL still roaming free. Guess those 3K who died really did for nothing, except we got a war out of it.

Moral Authority with torture, wiretapping and Berlin-style walls being erected

what else?



what do Conservatives stand for these days? I can really see why all the Republican candidates, from lifetime hunter Romney to closet Democrat Rudy, mmm, who else is in the race...are being ignored by the public.


What's the Republican platform going to be in 08?

Like little lambs they have lost their way.

Oh yea, and Reagan spent money like a drunk'n whore.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Not tough at all. We have to save this country from jerks like Reid and Peloisi...

Conservatives never give up and never say die... you guys should be glad we are here to save you ONCE MORE!

Joe, what's the platform going to be in 08?

Steve, yes, I've incorrectly linked Conservative and Republican and that's not always the case. Just look at DC now. . I myself am a very conservative Democrat these days.

[lendaddy]

It has definitely been easier, though I don't fit your definition exactly.

The Republicans really have let us down with their spending no doubt. In that respect it's effin embarrassing.

[GO DAWG GO]

Well.. you modern day liberals are still confused...Bound by emotion and no facts. Conservative enbrace very little you call "conservative" ideals. Dubya is no conservative. He may be coined a Republican but no conservative. He is probably the most reckless spender we have ever been entertained with. Has no real values...Leaves our boarders wide open for a sustained invasion going on well before 9/11. I personally will vote for anyone who will stop the illegal imigration. The Republican party has imploded because they sacrificed there values for a vote. Now most registered Republicans are not going to vote the party line..probably look towards independents like me. Democrats are now socialists and traitors and make me generally sick. Shaun let your daughter go on a date with Teddy or Bill I'm sure you will trust them...

You started it...

[Tishabet]

Originally posted by kach22i
Oh yea, and Reagan spent money like a drunk'n whore.

Drunk'n whore, eh? I think I might have done that a couple of times in college.

[Eric P]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Education, teaching kids to take tests rather than learn how to think and compete with China and India putting out 5 to 10 times the amount of "by the numbers" engineers

I'm not smart enough or have enough facts on your other statements but if they are as wrong as this one is, they are empty.

I work in schools on professional development. We aren't teaching kids to take tests, rather, finally focusing on content and measuring it rather than paying a teacher to go close his/her door and teach whatever they like. Most of the bad teaching I see comes from those that are very Democrat. Most of the bad educational policy I see has come from Democrat/liberal policies.

Teachers that hate accountability seem to love to bash with, "We just have to teach to the test". They, and whoever wrote the statment above, clearly don't get it.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Eric P
I work in schools on professional development.

You are 24 years old, right?

Are you a teacher, what do you mean by professional development?

How long have you worked in a school, what student ages?

[the]

Well, it's the Dems turn, they are firmly in control now.

How are they doing?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Eric P
I'm not smart enough or have enough facts on your other statements but if they are as wrong as this one is, they are empty.

I work in schools on professional development. We aren't teaching kids to take tests, rather, finally focusing on content and measuring it rather than paying a teacher to go close his/her door and teach whatever they like. Most of the bad teaching I see comes from those that are very Democrat. Most of the bad educational policy I see has come from Democrat/liberal policies.

Teachers that hate accountability seem to love to bash with, "We just have to teach to the test". They, and whoever wrote the statment above, clearly don't get it.

Actually, the Dept. of Ed should be abolished and re-started fresh. I used to do DoE, NSF contract cost accounting. What a waste of money these contracts are! Of course these are nothing compared to the DoD work I used to do! We could have billed and been paid in the millions on a little $500K contract. But that's another story.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by the
Well, it's the Dems turn, they are firmly in control now.

How are they doing?

That's another thread. What do see as the Republican platform in 08?

[the]

They'll probably propose some wacky social experiments.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by the
They'll probably propose some wacky social experiments.

Wanna bet?

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Eric P
I'm not smart enough or have enough facts on your other statements but if they are as wrong as this one is, they are empty.

I work in schools on professional development. We aren't teaching kids to take tests, rather, finally focusing on content and measuring it rather than paying a teacher to go close his/her door and teach whatever they like. Most of the bad teaching I see comes from those that are very Democrat. Most of the bad educational policy I see has come from Democrat/liberal policies.

Teachers that hate accountability seem to love to bash with, "We just have to teach to the test". They, and whoever wrote the statment above, clearly don't get it.

spoken like one who has never been a teacher. am I wrong?

yeah, teach whatever they like? You certainly have never taught.