Palestine and Hammas, or their descent into Hell
 

Hammas has now taken total control over the Palestian controlled areas, killing and bombing as needed to secure power in the area.

This is not good and the middle east will only descent futher into hell. Now the terrorists have complete and total control over Palestine.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282792,00.html

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Hamas Consolidates Hold on Gaza, Rounds up Fatah Leadership

Friday, June 15, 2007 AP

Palestinian militants from Hamas celebrate their capture of the Preventive Security headquarters in Rafah.

Palestinian militants from Hamas celebrate their capture of the Preventive Security headquarters in Rafah.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — On its first day of full rule in Gaza, the Islamic militant Hamas on Friday granted amnesty to Fatah leaders, signaling that it seeks conciliation with the defeated forces of moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Many had feared more bloodshed, particularly after victorious Hamas gunmen executed several Fatah fighters in the streets gangland-style on Thursday, in the final phase of the decisive five-day battle over Gaza.

Gazans awoke to the new reality of Hamas control Friday, fraught with uncertainty and fear that they'll become even poorer and more isolated. Gaza's crossings with Egypt and Israel — lifelines for the fenced-in territory — have been closed this week, and it was not clear if and when they would reopen. Extended closure could quickly lead to a humanitarian crisis.

A Hamas spokesman said Palestinian police, now under Hamas command, would take up positions at the crossings, but it's unlikely Israel would acquiesce to such a deployment, after Hamas militants had frequently attacked the passages in the past.

Gaza's streets, deserted in the past week, were crowded with cars, pedestrians and triumphant Hamas fighters, some driving in jeeps and firing in the air. Crowds converged on former Fatah strongholds and looted them.

Ah, those wacky peace-loving folk!;)

Re: Palestine and Hammas, or their descent into Hell
 

Joe; doesn't your understanding of "Palestine" and "Palestinian controlled areas" seem to ignore the total West Bank?

I'm wondering if Hamas has over-played their hand. Given that they have always been stronger in Gaza -- the poorer, and more crowded part of the Palestinian Territories, have they just opted out of a united Palestinian Territories? If Abbas now holds an election on the West Bank and excludes Gaza, will Hamas still be as strong given that their power base is in Gaza? Will the result be a "moderate" Fatah government on the West Bank, and a radical Hamas government in Gaza -- essentially two different Palestinian territories. What then? Compared to the West Bank, Gaza has no economy, just a lot of people.

Put a wall up around Gaza, and make peace with the West Bank. Start to open up the economic opportunities and negotiate with the West Bank, and let them become part of the modern world as long as they continue down the moderate path.

Three state solution?

It looks like Hamas has opted out of any solution. They are doubtless carrying out the wishes of Syria and Iran, and the Gaza strip is now a client state of those countries. I think it will get much worse..

It’s like the quote from the movie Black Hawk Down “In Somalia killing is negotiation.”

well I just don't know what to think. There was an election, done in the open and now the party in power is in a civil war with the losing side. How can anyone reasonably expect this region of the world to ever live in peace.

That's a shame.

Hamas, Fatah, PLO...

Someone with a PhD in middle-eastern studies (of small strips of granted, miserable land) may make a compelling argument how we should all give economic opportunity (more donated equity) a chance. Barring a forced, mass migration to another grazing pasture; 10 years from now it will be the same old sh**. Sometimes the people are the problem, not the circumstances.

Maybe if they had oil, they would act as responsible stewards of their resources. Oh yeah, that apparently doesn't work, either.

Typical Western points of view...

Like i said before, when not fighting some "invader" they will happily turn on themselves... it applies across the region..
I guess they like it more the soccer , or tennis, and i guess it's good exercise too...

If anyone thinks that hamas will stop at gaza, they are living in a fantasy world. Next will be the west bank, then Israel. They will not stop until they are destroyed.

This is a bad thing and will get ugly. This is a whole lot worse as far as global destabilization than the Iraq war.
I bet this war will last for more than 6 days.

i'm sure Israel is shivering with fear, not
they're just waiting for another reason to go in there guns blazing, but right now, the Israeli's are just watching the show as they kill off each other instead

mmmm...think i'd have to agree with this, or at least think it's very likely. after all I doubt that any Israeli is surprised at this turn of events.

tabs...

Elaborate.

Please.

Reason will never prevail in the middle east. Reason has no place there. It is run by religions, which are the antithesis of reason.

You know what they need is a good ol' serving of Democrazy, American style!

I keed, I keed.

send in Triumph for an indepth interview with all those involved
and then... he can poop on them :D

Only pic I have of triumph

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1182027632.jpg

Check it out, Wayne..

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181813057901&pagename=JPos t%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

NOBODYS RIGHT IN THIS MESS
not the nut arabs or the nut jews
or the USA nut christians who support the jews

as there is NO GOD
and NO-BODY WAS PROMISTED any land
thats just BS without any base in facts

tabs cuts to the heart of the matter, and does not make a point.

Dude, Religion of Peace, no way are the Arabs at fault:rolleyes:

Maybe he's saying that we should not impose our own desires for peace and prosperity on the palestinians. They may PREFER to live in squalor and kill each other.

Really, we should be more culturally sensitive.

Well, things certainly turned out well for Hamas and Gaza.

Let me see if I can recap. Not much in Gaza so the Israelis send food, water, fuel, etc into Gaza. To show their appreciation, Palestinians send rockets into Israel. Israel, not being very happy, send missiles and bombs back and decide to build a wall and stop sending supplies. Per the media, is the "bad" Israeli's attacking the defenseless Palestinians. After all, why should the Palestinians use their resources to better their own society when they can blame the Israelis and use their capital to attack their neighbor. Makes sense to me :rolleyes:.

Today, the Palestinians knocked down the wall between Gaza and Egypt to get the supplies the "bad" Israelis would not send to the Palestinians. Seems to me, that anytime the Egyptians wanted, they could have opened a passage for the Palestinians to go to Egypt to get what they need. I wonder why the Egyptians did not help their Arab brethren? Anybody else wonder?

The Egyptians have washed their hands of that strip of land ever since a tiny, little six day long war.

Where they were handed their hats.

No need to wonder. The point of the practitioners of the religion of piece(s) is to eliminate Israel. But if they did, they'd just go back to killing one another.

Exactly. If Israel disappeared into the sea tomorrow, what problem would that solve for any Arabs? They would still have completely disfunctional societies, kill each other, find a scapegoat on whom to blame all their ills and the Palestineans, in particular, would still be dependent on western countries' aid for all their money.

allah smackbar!
Some points to ponder


CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?


This is very interesting! We all need to read it from start

to finish......... and send it on to anyone who will read it.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?


This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no. . . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran).

Scripturally - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . . Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. . . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.