Scooter's prison term commuted!!!
 

AP Just popped up with it, and the BBC here ran it live.

Seems that the President was tired of the witch hunt and just commuted Scooter Libby's prison term!

If true, Bush did well. Libby was loyal to Bush...following orders.

Man, I'm very weary of the partisanship these days...

Yeah, Libby is an upstanding citizen!
Throw that evil Paris Hilton back in jail!
All hail Bush!!

Heil Bush!

Cogsuckers...

King George has done it again!! Praise the Lord and God Bless America, where the rich and powerful protect each other.

With our holiday a few days away, here is a document you may have heard of. it was signed July 4th 1776 . It's called The Declaration of Independence:


In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands, which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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and that is just the preamble...powerful stuff. However, to King George, it's probably just a "piece of paper"

Seig Heil!!

goodness..thought that you meant 'our' scooter.. :D

You lib hypocrites should have a look at this!

Randy

Hmmm sounds familiar somehow

Eicler?
Eichler?

I know Eichman!!:eek:

Bush just needed something to take the media away from the fact that he caved to Putin today. that and Dick didn't play his Executive cards very well, so needed Libby and a SoCo Manhattan to put everything right in his world again.

Predictable in its slimy corruptness.

What exactly was Scooter convicted of??

Giving false statements to a grand jury about his memory of a story of a fake CIA agent?

He's not exactly John Gotti. I feel pretty safe with him out roaming the streets again, Paris Hilton, Zsa Zsa Gabor, and Martha Stewart notwithstanding.

What good is it having the president as your friend if you can't get pardoned?

Uh... yeah we're bunch of hypocrites alright.......except that if you look at ANY President's record in the last 30 or 40 years you will find they EACH pardoned a whole slew of no-goodniks. Nothing unique there. This is just another example of cronyism...except "Scooter" (how does a grownass man let himself keep being called that?) didn't serve his sentence until near the end of the Adminsitration's term as with most pardons.

Because of THAT it feels like yet another Bush "in your ear" decision. Not caring what the law says and just using his executive powers to suit himself (yes, much as other President's have done). But if you still MUST find George W. Bush to be above criticism?.....:rolleyes: Well, we all have opinions and you know what they say about those!

I feel sick...and I suddenly realize that 90% of fastpat's SECEDE! blather was in fact justified.

haha. I'm sure fastpat is having a good day today.

:D

This a great day for the VRWC. Visit your animal shelters on the way home from work - there's going to be a lot of killing of small cute furry animals in celebration tonight!

yeah, but when will it stop? Who's got the balls to stand up and say, "enough." Certainly not GW. Does anyone?

Yup, he's the right man to restore morality and values to the White House. Unfortunately, that last President probably taught young people to lie about their clandestine 'hummers.' Nothering we can do about that.

But all is not lost. The current guy is teaching them that laws and judges' decisions do not need to be respected. Teaching traditional values by example.

I don't know.

I don't like the idea of this guy getting pardoned, because I suspect he's pretty slimy. Spend that much time with Dick and you would have to be. And he was convicted and sentenced.

On the other hand I like the idea of a presidential pardon. I like the idea that someone who would otherwise rot in prison can be pardoned by a magnanimous president. And if the most powerful man in the world can't pardon a crook - what's the point? It's got to be one of the best perks of the job.

I'm outraged. Libby should have gotten a full pardon. Can't wait until we get a good president.

That's exactly my point, Dan. The hypocrite libs that posted before you and I seem to be saying that GWB was the first and only president to have ever done this.

And no, I did not say all libs were hypocrites...

Randy

One Nation,

Under George,

Divided

I have to agree that Libby's sentence being commuted does pale by comparison to the crowd of crooks that got a full pardon from Slick Willy.

I may have many differences with GW but this will not be one of them. The entire investigation and subsequent indictments were all a pathetic political witch hunt and waste of tax-payers money.

That money would have been better spent figuring out how to eliminate 90% of the rest of the crooked government.

Libby was convicted of not having full memory of a non crime.

How many of slick willies onvicted riends, that lived, spent time in jail?

Aren't these two statements contradictory?

PS: Did Libby spend more or less time in jail than Hilton?

Sherwood

I'm actually disappointed. Bush has a long history of staying out of the way of the judiciary, and this in inconsistent with his own precedents.

He did however refuse to criticize Clinton for his abuse of the Presidential Pardon--no matter how egregious.

On the other hand, Libby was convicted of "obstruction of justice", which essentially amounts to: "we want you to go to jail and can't find anything to charge you with". I'm sure every person who has ever testified in court, given a deposition, or has issued a signed statement could be convicted of this if the standard is "inconsistency".

As I understand it Libby did not deserve what he got so I have no problem with this.

When the jurors said they were upset as they really wanted Cheney and Rove I knew it was BS. How in the hell would they have even heard sufficient evidence to claim such a thing as they were not even on trial and thus had no exculpatory evidence submitted.
They basically said they wanted some blood and his was all that was available. That's just wrong.

I would love to talk to one of the jurors.

The leaking of Plame's identity was and has been understood as a crime. You're in denial if you believe otherwise.

Understood as a crime? What was she, an office pog?
What was he convicted of? not remembering.

It's wouldn't matter if it was a crime, it was Armitage that outed her. If it were Libby he would have been convicted of it.

Who was Berger?

I guess I'm in denial then. Plame was perfectly positioned to recommend her Bush-hating hubby for a mission and then for him to write a bogus opinion piece in the NYT with, if you believe she was undercover, immunity from being refuted without revealing her occupation. Nevermind that she donated to Al Gore's 2000 campaign and listed the CIA as her employer on the form or that she was listed in Who's Who in America - not the kind of stuff covert operatives like to do. Now The Wilsons are laughing all the way to the bank, having made more off this fiasco than they both ever would have made in a lifetime of gov't. salaries.

Yes, and do you understand that he was neither charged nor convicted of this crime?

Sandy Berger, a Clinton tool, got a $50000 fine and community service for STEALING CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.
Somehow, I think Libby got screwed

Exactly. No one even denies that it was Armitage, not Libby, that did it. Armitage himself has admitted it. Of course, a lot of people don't know that, or frankly don't really care.

Was commuting it the right thing to do? I don't know, I didn't follow the whole thing that closely, because it seemed like a waste of time and obviously so politically driven. Which people from BOTH parties do to each other equally (lots and lots of examples of it going both ways).

But certainly Fitzgerald's prosecution raised enough questions that it left the conviction open to being commuted.

I didn't care when Clinton issued all of his get out of jail free cards, and don't really care in this instance. It's fully legal under our system and is a constitutional presidential power. I think Clinton's were as a whole more questionable, but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt - just like with libby, arguments could be made that some of the people he pardoned were victims of political witch hunts (susan mcd, for ex.) -and arguably Clinton did what he felt was just. Same here, there was enough stench involved with Fitzgerald's prosecution that arguably Bush did what he felt was just.

All part of the powers given to the president, they are entitled to use it.

Send bush ansd cheney to the hague as war criminals

or, impeach hitlery now, why wait?

Like driving the sh$t out of your Porsche without oil, destroying it from the inside.
Burn it up and destroy! Go Bush! Faster!! Destroy!!!

Rodeo?

That is exactly what the liberals are doing to this country!!!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1183437604.jpg

I believe commuting Scooter just means he won't go to jail. Everything else stays in place, most importantly, the obstruction charge.

Scooter isn't in the clear yet - which is what a pardon does for a person - it exonerates them completely.