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red-beard 07-04-2007 11:59 AM

Will the real Ted Nugent, please stand up!
 
Here is the real Ted Nugent and his message

The Summer of Drugs
By TED NUGENT
July 3, 2007; Page A17 (Wall Street Journal)

This summer marks the 40th anniversary of the so-called Summer of Love. Honest and intelligent people will remember it for what it really was: the Summer of Drugs.

Forty years ago hordes of stoned, dirty, stinky hippies converged on San Francisco to "turn on, tune in, and drop out," which was the calling card of LSD proponent Timothy Leary. Turned off by the work ethic and productive American Dream values of their parents, hippies instead opted for a cowardly, irresponsible lifestyle of random sex, life-destroying drugs and mostly soulless rock music that flourished in San Francisco.

The Summer of Drugs climaxed with the Monterey Pop Festival which included some truly virtuoso musical talents such as Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin, both of whom would be dead a couple of years later due to drug abuse. Other musical geniuses such as Jim Morrison and Mama Cass would also be dead due to drugs within a few short years. The bodies of chemical-infested, braindead liberal deniers continue to stack up like cordwood.

As a diehard musician, I terribly miss these very talented people who squandered God's gifts in favor of poison and the joke of hipness. I often wonder what musical peaks they could have climbed had they not gagged to death on their own vomit. Their choice of dope over quality of life, musical talent and meaningful relationships with loved ones can only be categorized as despicably selfish.

I literally had to step over stoned, drooling fans, band mates, concert promoters and staff to pursue my musical American Dream throughout the 1960s and 1970s. I flushed more dope and cocaine down backstage toilets than I care to remember. In utter frustration I was even forced to punch my way through violent dopers on occasion. So much for peace and love. The DEA should make me an honorary officer.

I was forced to fire band members and business associates due to mindless, dangerous, illegal drug use. Clean and sober for 59 years, I am still rocking my brains out and approaching my 6,000th concert. Clean and sober is the real party.

Young people make mistakes. I've made my share, but none that involved placing my life or the lives of others at risk because of dope. I saw first-hand too many destroyed lives and wrecked families to ever want to drool and vomit on myself and call that a good time. I put my heart and soul into creating the best music I possibly could and I went hunting instead. My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.

The 1960s, a generation that wanted to hold hands, give peace a chance, smoke dope and change the world, changed it all right: for the worse. America is still suffering the horrible consequences of hippies who thought utopia could be found in joints and intentional disconnect.

A quick study of social statistics before and after the 1960s is quite telling. The rising rates of divorce, high school drop outs, drug use, abortion, sexual diseases and crime, not to mention the exponential expansion of government and taxes, is dramatic. The "if it feels good, do it" lifestyle born of the 1960s has proved to be destructive and deadly.

So now, 40 years later, there are actually people who want to celebrate the anniversary of the Summer of Drugs. Hippies are once again descending on ultra-liberal San Francisco -- a city that once wanted to give shopping carts to the homeless -- to celebrate and try to remember their dopey days of youth when so many of their musical heroes and friends long ago assumed room temperature by "partying" themselves to death. Nice.

While I salute and commend the political and cultural activism of the 1960s that fueled the civil rights movement, other than that, the decade is barren of any positive cultural or social impact. Honest people will remember 1967 for what is truly was.

There is a saying that if you can remember the 1960s, you were not there. I was there and remember the decade in vivid, ugly detail. I remember its toxic underbelly excess because I was caught in the vortex of the music revolution that was sweeping the country, and because my radar was fine-tuned thanks to a clean and sober lifestyle.

Death due to drugs and the social carnage heaped upon America by hippies is nothing to celebrate. That is a fool's game, but it is quite apparent some burned-out hippies never learn.

Mr. Nugent is a rock star releasing his 35th album, "Love Grenade," this summer.

rouxroux 07-04-2007 12:02 PM

AMEN!!! Well said Ted...You kill it, we grill it! Many people can't understand conservative musicians. :)

nostatic 07-04-2007 12:08 PM

well, he misses a lot of the positive and ignores many of the issues of the time. Nugent is a guitar player, not an artist. So I wouldn't expect him to really grok some of what was going on. I do respect his take on things though and agree with many of the points. If only it were that clear-cut...

pwd72s 07-04-2007 01:44 PM

I recently voted for Ted Nugent...he's a board member of the NRA.

chapo 07-04-2007 06:47 PM

Wang Bang Sweet Poontang. Now where is my loincloth?

Tobra 07-04-2007 07:25 PM

Happened to pick up the WSJ and saw that. Can really wail on the old axe, but you must admit, Terrible Ted is a bit of a nutburger, though he would be a great invite to your barbeque, maybe kind of a downer when he starts preaching about booze while you are eating pork ribs it took two days to make and drinking a GD Shiner Bock.

john walker's workshop 07-04-2007 08:03 PM

well, not much we can do about it now. the damage is done. shoulda listened to the old folks, but naaaa....pass the doobie, and why's that van rockin?

BertBeagle 07-04-2007 08:15 PM

I don't know him but did run into him and the drummer Tommy Lee of another band and talked to both of them on the same day an hour or two apart in Del Mar, Ca. in '88. It was not during a concert and they were not playing music.

My impression was that they were both very egotistical and shallow. Nugent seemed to want all the attention from as big a crowd as he could draw while Lee seemed to expect people to recognize him as he moved around. At the time I had some idea of Nugent's stance on drugs, guns etc. but seeing him that day and watching him in action (maybe acting?) did not turn me into a fan.

My impression of that one encounter - he is a strange guy. I wouldn't vote for him running for anything.

M.D. Holloway 07-04-2007 10:22 PM

just another man with an opinion - bless his soul least he has one...

creaturecat 07-04-2007 10:43 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1183617788.jpg

RANDY P 07-05-2007 12:21 AM

Why do you fabricate?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by creaturecat
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1183617788.jpg
Creaturecat fabricated this.

The real link.

http://www.mugshots.com/Music/Ted+Nugent.htm

That mugshot was taken in 1993 when Ted got arrested for shooting a flaming arrow into his guitar during a show..

So tell me Cat, why do you make things up? How old are you? Did you really think this would stick?

Here's a helpful hint - if you're gonna make something up, at least remove the links to your source :rolleyes:

happy 4th, you freak.


rjp

Hoots 07-05-2007 04:09 AM

Ted in 08. He's got my vote.

rouxroux 07-05-2007 05:34 AM

LOL creaturecat...how do the kids say it these days? PWNED?

MichiganMat 07-05-2007 06:46 AM

Like other conservatives I know, Ted can't seem to hold back his disdain for anything contrary to his beliefs and lifestyle. He uses his words only to scorn those around him. His message may be on target, I do agree with a lot of the points, but its sad he has to wrap it up in self righteous bull****.

Ted, beat it.

tshore 07-05-2007 08:18 AM

I admire Nugent for showing that clean and sober rock and roll isn't a contradiction in terms, but this rant is a typical pile of right-wing b.s. He's against people ruining themselves through drug abuse...that's great, so are the vast majority of liberals.

Nugent has a warped sense of what really is destroying lives in America today. Nugent doesn't have a problem with citizens possessing guns, but evidently does have a problem with citizens possessing, say, cannabis. I am not a gun control advocate, but compare the number of people in America killed by handguns with the number killed by reefer, and I think it will be clear which of the two is really more dangerous.

Since he pines to be named an "honorary DEA agent" (like Elvis!), we can assume he supports the government's insane "war on drugs" which has destroyed far more lives than drugs themselves ever have (think about it...what would you choose - a coke habit you need to kick, or a felony conviction and a 10-year prison term?). If Nugent is really concerned about the "exponential expansion of government and taxes", as he claims to be, he should be attacking the vast prison apparatus the government has set up to incarcerate people for "drug offences", instead of beating long-dead 60's cultural horses. But then, expounding true anti-government views like that wouldn't get his rants published in the Wall Street Journal...

Oh, and where was Nugent when Rush Limbaugh got busted for Oxycontin (which is more potent than herion)? I must have missed his
outraged missive blaming the addled moral condition of conservative radio talk show hosts on a culture of laxity and permissiveness that pervaded, say, the Young Republicans in the 1970s.

kach22i 07-05-2007 08:31 AM

Mug shot of Ted makes him look like just another homeless guy. I don't see any statement that the mugshot has anything to do with the "phone-in" to the Howard Stern show or any arrest. Looks like it could be an album cover by today's standards.

Courtney Love?

I'd take Ted's word over hers, and I think he's a little nuts.

creaturecat 07-05-2007 09:16 AM

Re: Why do you fabricate?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by RANDY P
Creaturecat fabricated this.

The real link.

http://www.mugshots.com/Music/Ted+Nugent.htm

That mugshot was taken in 1993 when Ted got arrested for shooting a flaming arrow into his guitar during a show..

So tell me Cat, why do you make things up? How old are you? Did you really think this would stick?

Here's a helpful hint - if you're gonna make something up, at least remove the links to your source :rolleyes:

happy 4th, you freak.


rjp

yup - fabricated the whole thing on my own.....including the web page.
perhaps you should do some research of your own before you run off at the mouth. ignorance is bliss. you must be very happy.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/the_hypocritica.html

Moneyguy1 07-05-2007 09:27 AM

I went to Woodstock and have to agree with Old Teddy. Only stayed a few hours....stepping over bodies got old really quick.

creaturecat 07-05-2007 09:49 AM

seems like Ted has something in common with the hippies; he was a draft dodger:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1183657633.jpg

Scott R 07-05-2007 09:56 AM

That's not a fabrication, I was listening to the March 22nd show when he was on, he didin't even deny it. He's a monumental douche bag, and a terrible interview. I've heard more coherent interviews of crack whores.

Seric 07-05-2007 10:03 AM

While I agree Hippies suck, Ole Ted isn't exactly the best role model for impressionable youth.

"Free love was just another party for the hippies to ruin" ~Live

tshore 07-05-2007 10:38 AM

I don't think impressionable youth today know Ted Nugent from Ted Bundy or Ted Kennedy. He is 2nd or 3rd tier rocker from the '70s whose only relevence now is to give some phony "street cred" to the loony right.

BTW, I have no problem with what Nugent (or Clinton or others) did to avoid the draft. I respect those who chose to serve, then and now, but conscription is a form of enslavement and those not wishing to hand their bodies over to the government are justified, in my view, in taking whatever measures they can to avoid it. Nugent's approach does show a certain panache...

Interesting, but not surprising, that Nugent's own personal life seems to display some of the very qualities he excoriates the hippies for promoting.

kach22i 07-05-2007 10:43 AM

Re: Re: Why do you fabricate?
 
Good article, the facts look to be accurate.

Sample:

Ted Nugent Ordered To Pay Child Support (Had Affair)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1428463/posts
Quote:

Nugent will $3,500.00 a month to Karen Gutowski, who is the mother of the now 10-year old boy.

sammyg2 07-05-2007 12:02 PM

Ted is the man. he cuts through the bull and tells it like it is.
If you listen really hard you can hear a bunch of toes getting stepped on here ;)

kach22i 07-05-2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
Ted is the man. he cuts through the bull and tells it like it is.
If you listen really hard you can hear a bunch of toes getting stepped on here ;)

What do the toes of a 10 year old boy sound like when they are squished?

scottmandue 07-05-2007 12:38 PM

All this talk of Ted Nugent is interrupting my getting Paris Hilton status reports!

RANDY P 07-05-2007 12:45 PM

Re: Re: Why do you fabricate?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by creaturecat
yup - fabricated the whole thing on my own.....including the web page.
perhaps you should do some research of your own before you run off at the mouth. ignorance is bliss. you must be very happy.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/the_hypocritica.html

So, by doing some creative cut and paste are you trying to allude that he got arrested for this? Is this the effect you're trying to achieve? Tell us..

As of Ted and Courtney, is that all you can get your hands on? Might as well be the National Enquirer.

I hope Ted gets an AIDS check.

EDIT: I salute you for actually trying to defend something you state (for the 1st time ever may I add...) - did they start approving spine implants in Canada?

Oh well, it's the effort that matters.

ed martin 07-05-2007 04:09 PM

Reminds me of a Beatles biography I read in which George Harrison commented on the hippy scene in San Francisco. He said how after a concert he sort of inspected the concert hall floor after the crowd had left and couldn't believe the mess they had left behind. He made a visit to the park near the Golden Gate bridge where he was descended upon by a mass of drugged unkempt hippies whereupon he hastely retreated to his limo. He lamented on how little he had in common with his so called constituency in this so called Summer of Love.

MichiganMat 07-06-2007 07:28 AM

Thats funny, because I just read the other day in a good Playboy article about how the Summer of Love gatherings in San Francisco were some of the safest and cleanest events the city had ever seen... until things started to go downhill that is.

Check out the article if you get a chance, it goes into a lot of detail on the subgroups of the SF scene at the time and their interrelationships (hippies, trippers, Sonny Barger and the Oakland Hells Angels, the meth heads, etc etc). The article is about how meth came into the scene and basically tore it all apart, a good read if you can find it.

ed martin 07-06-2007 10:39 AM

I think these artists probably got a view of the downhill side. I think if I recall a history channel program on this topic the flower power Summer of Love movement was a good thing until seedier exploitive elements got a hold of it. Maybe the same way a pimp gets a hold of a naive beautiful woman. I think the official end of the era culminated with the stabbing incident at the Stones concert in Alamont.


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