First, do no harm....
 

That's a line from the Hypocratic Oath that Physicians take. I guess these Muslim sand rats didn't get the memo...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/05/nterror405.xml

When will we ever learn? Religion of peace...yeah, right. Non citizen Muslims...you have 90 days to pack your crap and get out.

concur

Re: First, do no harm....
 

It may not be far from this already in the UK. Every person we ran into who talked about the recent bombings were 100% against anyone who did not try mix with the local customs and behaviour after they moved there.

Many of them were ready to kick them out a couple of days ago...

Funny that the latest terrorist suspects don't fit the profile we have been told is "standard" (young, little education, poor and impoverished, prone to believe jingoistic teachers, impressionable, etc...)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/05/nterror405.xml
Osama's righ hand men were/are an architect and a doctor.

I don't understand them and I grew up with them in the largest concentration of Arabs/Muslims in America (Dearborn, Michigan).


In the Way of the Prophet: Ideologies and Institutions in Dearborn, Michigan, America's Muslim Capitol
http://www.americancity.org/article.php?id_article=72

On your knees...

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29

More enlightenment...



Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve
Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

Soooooooo intolerant. All we need is love, yeah, love is all we need.

Not intolerant enough it seems. I heard yesterday that the Dutch are starting to forbid any new construction of Mosques and making it illegal to speak any language but Dutch on the streets. They are on the right track anyway.

Certainly not an objective website, but scroll down to the 3 month long log of islamic violence.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

>>>Funny that the latest terrorist suspects don't fit the profile we have been told is "standard" (young, little education, poor and impoverished, prone to believe jingoistic teachers, impressionable, etc...)<<<

Art, don't know about you, but it makes me even more concerned with the goings on in Dearborn-istan. Most people from outside Detroit-metro would simply not believe what's happened to that place. I was there last week and even the RiteAid franchise drug store sign was in Arabic!! I stopped at the Target store to buy batteries and I was the only one there without a robe, a turbin or a berka - I'm surprised they accepted US currency.

Just found this on Google. An AT&T billboard in Dearborn Michigan - hometown of Henry Ford ..... this is what you see throughout the city. Many businesses don't even have the English subtitles.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1183672324.jpg

Is Dearborn the city where the Muslims got the city to allow them to play their God awful 'call to prayer' five to seven times a day ...starting at about 5 AM... over loud speakers? I damn near burst an artery when I heard about that a few years back. Where ever it is, I guess you can hear it all over the city and can't get away from it. If I lived there I'd be in jail by now.

There was an article in a paper a few weeks ago saying that Mohammed is now the second most common name for baby boys in the UK. Looks like they'd have a problem eventually even if they deported all the non-citizens.

Here's some good reading.

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/jihad/#all_muslims

Illegal to speak any language other than Dutch on the streets??? Where to you get this kind of nonsense???

And we can't get our government to make English our official language

Just what I heard on radio news... Possibly they mean in business but that's was not what they said... CNN radio news. Call it nonsense if you want.

And that is EXACTLY the problem with profiling. Over time it will always prove to be wrong. If you profile you will always find what you are looking for but you will miss just as much.

As far as the signage being non-english I guess we should have a talk with the chinese, koreans, hispanics and every other nationality that have set themselves up in concentrated groups in our major cities.

I guess NYC will still be the same w/out ChinaTown, Little Italy etc...

Makes Greek Diners easier to find also.

Painting everyone with the same broad stroke is like pinstripping your car with 12' roller.

Yeah I'm sensitive to it. Anyone that has ever been on the receiving end of bias/bigotry because of profiling will understand.

For those of you that don't get it consider yourselves fortunate.

I reckon that practicing doctors could dish out more terror undetected as doctors than making bombs. Good thing they are not too creative...

Few of the terrorists in the last 5 years fit the profile of poor and uneducated

You are sooooooo typical of a California liberal in your attitude toward this, unless of course you are being sarcastic, which is tough to read.

Monkey man, you are a moron.

Ok SM, I got a question for you: If a person makes a statement about a racial or ethnic group which is, in fact, true...is it bigotry or racism?

Point is that it IS Muslims who are waging Jihad against the rest of the world and are a real threat. If it's bigotry in your mind to profile them then you need to rethink some things. OK..not ALL Muslims, but if you have paid attention in the past few weeks you know that a huge percentage of American Muslims directly or tacitly support jihad and damn few have denounced it.

It's nonsense to search Irish Nuns in wheel chairs at airports so as to be PC and not offend the delicate sensibilities of Muslims. It's damn well time to profile Muslims. Be very polite, but do it. They will have to understand and get over it.

Sorry for your past experiences with bigotry...truly.

Mark I would be willing to bet most Americans agree with your viewpoint. I certainly do!

Check out El Al's security record. It's the best in the world. And they rely heavily on PROFILING. They profile for only one reason. It works.

Only if the statement is negative in any way.

It's not about being PC. I was born and raised in Germany. Traveled on a US Military passport till I was 20. Ever go through security in a German airport?

They check everyone. Maybe they profile and check some harder than others but the minimum level of scrutiny makes our "inconveniences" pale in comparison.

My point is if you really want to be safe then DO NOT make distinctions based on profiles. It's stupid. You'll catch who you are looking for but will miss the rest. And it won't be long till an Irish Nun in a wheel chair becomes a "martyr".

Now as far as ALL Muslims being a threat? 22% of the worlds population are Muslim, second only to the 33% who are Christian. If they ALL wanted to get us we'd already be totally fuched.

I thought about that too. So to extend your thought further...in your mind would it be bigotry to say that Jihad is being perpetrated/advocated by Muslims and/or that a significant percentage of American Muslims support jihad against the West?

That would likely qualify as a negative statement.. but it's true and I don't call that bigotry...no way.

Was in Tel Aviv recently. Their security was very good. Went through every page in my passport (both of them) and kept asking questions about every place I had stamps for. After she was finished we talked for a bit and she was nice but while talking to myself and the copilot it was deadly serious. They take no chances with security...

Joe - wouldn;t happen here. The folks in Customs are civil servants. Do you really think they would really work this way? If privately held and highly compensated then you would get a level that was required. It would also reduce the over all loss as well.

You get what you pay for...

Hey, lets start our own religion where we cut up cows and dump the remains on the speakers. 5AM, hell, I'm just getting to bed:mad:

So they are a bunch of boxing fans in the UK???

Don't you mean Pigs? Sounds good to me.

Much more recently, Wayne, there was a Pugh Research Poll which showed that a small but significant number of American Muslims actively support Al Queda. A larger number said they 'quietly support/agree with' Al Queda and another number who refused to answer. Not many at all said they disagree or don't support. Chilling but not surprising given the number of Muslims in this country...that we know of.

Disclaimer: I do not discriminate against other religions, I discriminate against those who advocate violence in the name of a religion.

Here's how to deal with the PC nazis.
Don't say anything negative about the muslims, say negative things about the monsterous murdering muslim extremists and all those that support them.
Prolly includes lots O'the same people, but the bleeding heart liberal bomb targets can't get their panties all bunched up.