this year, that certainly seems to be true, particularly on the Repub side.

But I guess personality is relative, and watching some of the Repub debates, Ron Paul makes the others look like Mick Jaggers up on the stage.

The consultants are looking at Mrs. FT right now. I see less cleavage in the future and a less blond look. Nothing the matter with being young and pretty. The voting population, or rather the people that vote are fairly conservative. If FT can articulate a good message that appeals to them, he just might win.

he does have a hot daughter, I'll give him that.

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Re: Trophy wife:
 

Apology accepted. I think that trying to justify using a slur against someone based on a definition that someone came up with is a little silly though, don't you agree?

I guess I could find plenty of definitions for the word n*gger and we could debate whether it would apply to Obama or any other black politician, but that wouldn't justify the slur, would it?

I find it disappointing that the mud slinging machine is revving up so quickly. The guy hasn't even declared for Christ's sake...

Sometimes I wonder, do the Dems who are trying to talk about FT's "Trophy wife" really think it is better to have an illicit affair with a woman 25+ years your younger rather than actually....marry her?

Tom Tancredo has the right stance on immigration. Ditto on the middle east, but it seems his candidacy has languished.

he also thinks Bush should be impeached for failing to secure the borders.

smart guy

So why hasn't he brought up any motions for this? He'd get plenty of Dems to help him here.

Daughter?

What about the Thompson Twins?

It could be tough to put two alpha males together.

I think you'll find the term Trophy-Wife is much older than the 80's. I heard it thrown around as a kid, usually describing good looking eye candy who didn't bring much to the marriage otherwise, and supported a corporate husband.

On the issues:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Fred_Thompson.htm

Fred Thompson on Abortion
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Roe v. Wade was bad law and bad science. (Jun 2007)
Appoint strict constructionist judges. (Jun 2007)
Has never been pro-choice despite 1994 news reports. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)


Fred Thompson on Budget & Economy
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Voted YES on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)
Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)


Fred Thompson on Civil Rights
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Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted NO on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)


Fred Thompson on Corporations
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Commerce clause does not mean Feds can regulate everything. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)


Fred Thompson on Crime
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Impose truth in sentencing for violent crime. (Nov 1994)
Voted NO on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program. (May 1999)
Voted YES on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
Voted YES on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on repealing federal speed limits. (Jun 1995)


Fred Thompson on Drugs
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Voted YES on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)


Fred Thompson on Education
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Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on Educational Savings Accounts. (Mar 2000)
Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)


Fred Thompson on Energy & Oil
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Solar system is warming, not earth. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted YES on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Voted YES on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on ending discussion of CAFE fuel efficiency standards. (Sep 1999)
Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)


Fred Thompson on Environment
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Voted YES on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
Voted YES on more funding for forest roads and fish habitat. (Sep 1999)
Voted YES on transportation demo projects. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)


Fred Thompson on Families & Children
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Voted YES on killing restrictions on violent videos to minors. (May 1999)


Fred Thompson on Foreign Policy
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Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)
Voted NO on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech. (Apr 1998)
Voted NO on $17.9 billion to IMF. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)


Fred Thompson on Free Trade
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Market does more for freedom & prosperity than planners. (Jun 2007)
Protectionist trade policies are defensive & defeatist. (May 2007)
Markets do more for freedom than any central planner. (May 2007)
Protectionist trade policies are defensive & defeatist. (May 2007)
Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)


Fred Thompson on Government Reform
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Passionate supporter of states rights. (Jun 2007)
Term limits counter professionalization of politics. (May 2007)
Voted YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
Voted YES on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on Approving the presidential line-item veto. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. (Jul 1995)


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Fred Thompson on Gun Control
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Allowing concealed carry could have limited VA Tech massacre. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)


Fred Thompson on Health Care
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Voted NO on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
Voted NO on medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)


Fred Thompson on Homeland Security
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Europe mothballs its fleet, when all should build military. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
Voted YES on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on favoring 36 vetoed military projects. (Oct 1997)
Voted NO on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty. (Jun 1996)
Voted YES on 1996 Defense Appropriations. (Sep 1995)


Fred Thompson on Immigration
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Opposes amnesty in any form. (Jun 2007)
Nation loses sovereignty if it cannot secure its own borders. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)


Fred Thompson on Jobs
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Voted YES on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on killing an increase in the minimum wage. (Nov 1999)
Voted YES on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
Voted YES on replacing farm price supports. (Feb 1996)


Fred Thompson on Principles & Values
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Reveals he suffers from cancer, but it won't affect campaign. (Jun 2007)
Religious affiliation: Protestant. (Nov 2000)


Fred Thompson on Social Security
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Social Security & Medicare are generational wealth transfers. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted YES on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted YES on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)


Fred Thompson on Tax Reform
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Progressive tax redistributes wealth without helping economy. (Jun 2007)
Taxes burden production; keep rates as low as possible. (May 2007)
Tax cuts stimulate the economy. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)


Fred Thompson on Technology
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Voted YES on Internet sales tax moratorium. (Oct 1998)
Voted YES on telecomm deregulation. (Feb 1996)


Fred Thompson on War & Peace
Click here for 13 full quotes on War & Peace OR other candidates on War & Peace OR background on War & Peace.
I would do essentially what the president's doing in Iraq. (Jun 2007)
Take any chance to not get run out of Iraq. (Jun 2007)
Internationalizing war effort will not win the war. (Jun 2007)
President must decide on war based on unclear evidence. (Jun 2007)
Prophets of doom are wrong--we can't cut-and-run. (Jun 2007)
Goal of Iraqi enemies is to demoralize us. (Jun 2007)
Serious & painful international sanctions on nuclear Iran. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted YES on allowing all necessary force in Kosovo. (May 1999)
Voted NO on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995)
Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
Move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. (Nov 1995)


Fred Thompson on Welfare & Poverty
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Voted YES on welfare block grants. (Aug 1996)
Voted NO on eliminating block grants for food stamps. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on allowing state welfare waivers. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on welfare overhaul. (Sep 1995)

but Rudy could sit on his shoulder.

Great! he's PRO terrorist and drug runner! What a guy!

How is that PRO Terrorist? I would agree with his view.

Think about it. If you're a good, law abiding American citizen from a collector to a hunter to a sportsman, you have nothing to worry about having a background check done at a show. it doesn't effect you. Daddy and RL use this argument all the time on the Patriot Act. "Government listening in on my phone calls? No problem, I'm clean, I have nothing to worry about."

if you're a terrorist or a nutcase or anyone who really shouldn't have a gun, you would love not having background checks done at shows.

If we're really in a War on Terror, make it more than a bumper sticker. Make it really hard for anyone to get guns who shouldn't have guns. BTW, I love guns, I just don't mind the wait or the check. It's part of my sacrifice being a free citizen in a time of War.

And what's with the soft on crime "Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations".

That's exactly what this country needs, softer penalties on some of the worst criminals.

We don't need more penalties for these crimes. They are already "Rockefeller" enough. What we need is enforcement of what we have.

2nd Amendment isn't about Collecting or Hunting. Terrorists and drug dealers are not buying guns from gun dealers. Psychopaths maybe are. But the number of VT Psychopaths are minimal. And part of those acts the psuchopaths commit are created when you make self defense free zones.

1. How do you know they aren't, or more importantly, won't. I don't want to go back to a pre-9/11 mentality where we think terrorists won't do this or that.

2. Why take the chance?

Background checks are not an issue for good citizens.

Background checks are fine for store purchases or interstate transfers. But they make it kind of hard to wheel and deal at gun shows where collectors and serious shooters find a lot of stuff they can't find in stores. Criminals don't submit to background checks and such a check has never ever prevented a crime, nor would it have prevented John Hinckley from getting his gun, had there been NICS checks back then. It's a feel-good, do-nothing law. BTW, plenty of states require no NICS check for face-face sales between non-FFL dealers who are both residents of the same state. So requiring NICS checks at gun shows might shut down gun shows, but would not even come close to preventing a real criminal from getting a gun very easily by other means.

Background checks are fine for store purchases or interstate transfers. But they make it kind of hard to wheel and deal at gun shows where collectors and serious shooters find a lot of stuff they can't find in stores. Criminals don't submit to background checks and such a check has never ever prevented a crime, nor would it have prevented John Hinckley from getting his gun, had there been NICS checks back then. It's a feel-good, do-nothing law. BTW, plenty of states require no NICS check for face-face sales between non-FFL dealers who are both residents of the same state. So requiring NICS checks at gun shows might shut down gun shows, but would not even come close to preventing a real criminal from getting a gun very easily by other means.

Define: "A Good Citizen"

Can I reply later tonight? I'm going out to dinner soon and want to provide a good answer.

Parting thought though: we yell and scream about our rights as citizens, whether free speech or guns, but rarely do we talk about responsibilities as citizens. What if you actually had to have Voted in the last national election to buy a gun, or give money to a campaign?

With great Freedom, comes great Responsibility. just a thought, see you later tonight.

Yes, tell us all about the importance of responsibility, character and living up to obligations. You da man!

This makes no sense at all.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
[B]he once made a living as a lobbyist Joel. that's all I need to know. I spent an hour last night looking at his record. run of the mill do nothing moderate republican. he's complete forgettable in terms of his Senate performance.


Actually, according to FT himself. He was never a lobbyist.The story was a lie. I guess he now has the potential to be your new BFF.











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[QUOTE]Originally posted by boboli
[B] yeah, and according to everyone in prison, they're innocent. yes, Mighty Mouse was a lobbyist. Stop listening to Right Wing nut job hate radio helping to manufacture his image.

I suppose it wouldn't. think Israel.

Shaun, Thompson never said he wasn't a lobbyist.

?????

Can you guys on the Right get your story straight. talk w/ Boboli and get back to us. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

easier to define what isn't a good citizen, especially with a cab hangover from last night.

In a background check, you have to worry IF you:
Aren't an American citizen
have been an American citizen for less than 1 year
Are on parole
Haven't paid taxes
Haven't paid child support
have ever been convicted of a violent crime

Let me be clear, I'm not saying you can't get a gun if any of these criteria pop up. Just that someone ought to be notified Patriot Act style.

everyone needs to sacrifice something in time of War.

I'm not following you. Pages back you said "Actually, according to FT himself. He was never a lobbyist"

This has nothing to do with Boboli, I am wondering what the heck you're talking about in the above quote.

I'm the one with the hangover. :) Nope. I've said all along that Fred is a lobbyist.

here you go responding to one of your posts. It's Boboli above who thinks FT isn't a lobbyist.

here's my original quote. he quoted it, snipped it, but only part way and then included what you have quoted above as his own thoughts.

Careful, he's using the Chewbacca defense.

I apologize Shaun, I got that wrong. The format of Bobolis post made it look like a quote from you and I didn't double check till now. You did NOT say that.

I was wrong. Sorry.

Thanks, much appreciated.

While you know I love a good back and forth, I'm clearly done here and need to get some work done today.

You don't need to be a citizen to buy a gun in a store....legally. You just need a Green Card and no felony record. Tax liens and child support don't show up there either. If you've been convicted of a violent crime, chances are 99.9% you have a felony record and the NICS check would stop the sale. In VA they don't even tell you "no". They lock the store down and call the state police to come get you for even attempting to purchase. Again, none of this stuff applies to criminals and no terrorist wannabe would bother with it either. It's too easy to get guns on the street with no NICS check. In fact, I've probably bought seven handguns on the Internet in the last year or two. All you need to have an FFL fax over a copy of his license. Think that's hard to fake?

Last night during the interview at the Freedom concert FT said he was NOT a lobbyist and the stories were false. This is what HE said and this is what I heared! Back to your regularly scheduled hangover!

That was only in regards to a claim that he lobbied for an abortion rights organization.

Thank you my Rightwing nutjob listener of hate radio friend!:D

Its OK because FT already has a BFF. It is his "trophy wife"http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/dz.gif

Long term Visa holders with a permanent address of 3 months or more are also eligible to purchase firearms. I checked this out for some of my neighbors. They are here for 4-5 years on H visas.

I doubt he'll ever purchase one, but it is legal.

I am not sure what would happen with a student visa.

In Texas, I believe the background check includes a look at child support and violent misdemeaners.

Shaun, I do not know exactly what you were arrested for, and exactly which charge stuck. Are you eligible?

The original Sullivan Act wwas exactly what you have said. You need to be of good character. You can't be an immigrant. You can't be Negro. Etc. The same Sullivan Act is still in effect, but it now basically prevents most ownership of firearms in NY State, without getting the police and a judge to say you can.