The American Stalingrad

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In the summer of 1942 the German 6th Army moved triumphantly east towards Stalingrad and their fate. In the Spring of 2003 the US Army marched triumphantly into Bagdad. For both nations the expected mission result was not achieved and a slow grinding war of will and attrition took place. The end for the German 6th army came 8 months later with its complete anhiliation on the Volga River. For America it has not been so dramatic but the loss in Political, Moral, and Material Capital has been immense. While the last act has not been played out in Bagdad the spector of a Regional catastroph on the scale of the German defeat looms ever present.

The German defeat at Stalingrag didn't seal Germanys defeat in WW2 but did signal a shift in balance of power on the Eastern Front. Like Germany, Bagdad will signal a loss of American power and prestige in the world. One begins to wonder how such seemingly innocous errors of judgement in decison making could have such a long reaching effect on a nations fate.

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In the summer of 1942 the German 6th Army moved triumphantly east towards Stalingrad and their fate. In the Spring of 2003 the US Army marched triumphantly into Bagdad. For both nations the expected mission result was not achieved and a slow grinding war of will and attrition took place. The end for the German 6th army came 8 months later with its complete anhiliation on the Volga River. For America it has not been so dramatic but the loss in Political, Moral, and Material Capital has been immense. While the last act has not been played out in Bagdad the spector of a Regional catastroph on the scale of the German defeat looms ever present.

The German defeat at Stalingrag didn't seal Germanys defeat in WW2 but did signal a shift in balance of power on the Eastern Front. Like Germany, Bagdad will signal a loss of American power and prestige in the world. One begins to wonder how such seemingly innocous errors of judgement in decison making could have such a long reaching effect on a nations fate.

[Jim Richards]

we're doomed! we're doomed!

[nostatic]

maybe we should invade Stalingrad

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Either you learn from History or your doomed to repeat it.

[Neilk]

Well if anything, the US went from HERO on September 12th, 2001 to Zero today. We've lost the respect from most of the world for the mess we've made in Iraq instead of focusing on the real threat of Al Qaida in Afghanistan.

[nostatic]

is that why mother didn't have another kid?

[m21sniper]

The real threat is Islam itself.

[Les Paul]

In one of the worst winters on record with a thousand mile supply line.

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Was the defeat of American power in Iraq the first step in the ultimate defeat of America by fundlementalist Islamists?

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Originally posted by Les Paul
In one of the worst winters on record with a thousand mile supply line.

From 12 month Tours of Duty to 15 Months and in March 2008 to 18 Month Tours of Duty.

[Les Paul]

If I recall the Germans had something like a million guys in Russia? They were in North Africa, still bombing England, etc etc.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

We need a "crush on Tabs" video.

[MRM]

While the threat is Islam itself, only we can defeat ourselves. We appear to be trying very hard in that regard.

[MRM]

While the threat may be Islam itself, only we can defeat ourselves. We appear to be trying very hard in that regard.

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Originally posted by Les Paul
If I recall the Germans had something like a million guys in Russia? They were in North Africa, still bombing England, etc etc.

The US has Military forces in how many countries in the world? German, UK, Holland, Beligium, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Turkey, Italy, Japan, Thailand, Philiphines, Australia, Saudi, Afgan, Gulf States, Kuwait, Canada, Colombia, Cuba etc...

[Shaun @ Tru6]

We need a "crush on Tabs" video.

[MRM]

We have minimal or no threats in almost all of the places you list outside of the middle east and yet we can't raise 150,000 combat and combat support troops long enough to pacify Iraq. Clearly this is not an issue of troops; it is an issue of leadership.

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Western culture is quanitative in nature and blunders along blindly on the qualitative road of the Islamic Jihad.

[Jim Richards]

Are these two duplicate threads tabs' doppelganger?