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anti-inflammatory other than ibuprofen?

Since I've been playing tennis I have had very tight knees that almost lock up after play without ibuprofen. I'm sure this will get better as I play more, but given how bad that is for your liver(or is it kidneys?) I was wondering if there is an alternative for inflammation? Any foods or supplements that help?

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Old 08-05-2007, 05:23 PM
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I lift weights which can be tough on the joints as well.

Make sure you're stretching enough- light stretching before tennis, more intense stretching after. I think Yoga has really benefitted my connective tissue in that respect. I supplement with Fish oil/Flax seed pills, and Glucosamine. Both would help you in your current situation.
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Ibuprofin is only one of a class of anitinflammatory OTC drugs called NSAIDS which is short for Non Steroidal Anti Inflammatory Drugs. They are all toxic to kidneys if taken to excess/too regularly, but I hear of Docs advising of them all the time. I never take them but only because they are rough on my stomach. I suspect that if you only take Ibuprofin occasionally after tennis you will be fine. Several doses daily is a way different story. For a non drug approach I strongly advise icing your knees after an afternoon of tennis... The Glucoseamine advice is good as well. Aspirin is anti-inflammatory as well...Tylenol is not...only a pain killer....but also liver toxic in high doses.
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Thanks guys, it's just that ibuprofen is so damn effective! I will try the other suggestions as well.
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The Glucoseamine advice is good as well. Aspirin is anti-inflammatory as well...Tylenol is not...only a pain killer....but also liver toxic in high doses.
Tried the Glucoseamine years ago and did no good on me.

Used asprin for years and prefer it over Ibuprofen. Ibuprofen also has other issues...
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I take ibuprofen every day, and I have yet to have an issue. The dosages are low, typically less than 800mg per day. It really is a wonderful pain reliever.
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Alleve(naproxen) is another good OTC choice. Take 2(440 mg) twice a day. They last longer than ibuprofen. ALl can be harsh on kidneys or stomach. Take with food, drink lots of fluids. Some say Chondroitin and glucosamine help, some say it is snake oil, if it helps and does no harm, why not.

You need to do two things before you injure yourself.

1. Work on your flexibility. Stretch more, upper, lower body, also abs and back. Don't just do it right before playing, do it often, every day, few times a day.

2. Do something to make your quads stronger. Stationary bike, weight program, theraband workout, whatever
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Try yoga. I'm putting my kung fu classes on hold to start yoga classes and maybe some tai chi to try and get back to somewhere near 100%. Almost a year since my accident and I still have problems in class with the knee being unstable and injuring the healthy leg by compensating.

What Tobra said. Stretch, stretch, stretch.
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Tried the Glucoseamine years ago and did no good on me.

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Glucoseamine is one of those few drugs where the effectivness depends greatly on the formulation. Some if not most are not what they call 'bioavailable' meaning that the acive ingredient is not well absorbed or used by the body. I tried the usual OTC brands from Costco, etc. and they were not working. I have used Integrative Theraputics brand (no I don't sell it) for years and find it very helpful. They only sell to pharmacies and doctors though. I use the formula blended with MSM and it's good stuff. Just FYI
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Mark,

We then buy it through the doctors or pharmacies or where does the general public get the "good stuff?"
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for strength training, at 41 i find i need about 400 mg taken an hour before lifting to be able to lift without pain. i do have a professional strength-coaching certification, so i can say that 'i know what i'm doing'..i've just done it very hard for 27 years. my body is starting to talk to me..i may need to start listening soon. i've had luck with glucosamine, albeit nothing prevents pain and inflammation i agree quite like ibuprofen taken an hour in advance.
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First of all, if Ibuprofen is needed every time you exercise - your body (knees) does not approve of the training. As a response to trauma it produces an inflammation in order to heal. Ibuprofen counteracts that inflammatory response as well as it has a direct pain killing effect. Both of which will make your knees less of a problem.

Secondly and however, as long as your stomach can handle it, so can the rest of your organs - kidneys included. Just as long as you do not take higher daily doses than prescribed. Many children (and adults) with rheumatic and autoimmune diseases need to take large doses every day for years with no adverse effects.

But as I started out, the actual need for an anti inflammatory agent after each training is proof a your knees disapproval of that specific exercise. A general rule of thumb is that feeling pain is a signal from your body that you should rest in order to avoid further damage. At least if keeping up a pain producing exercise for a long time.
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Take a ginger tablet - it cured my "tears inducing" shoulder pain in a week. Look it up on Google - its a natural anti-inflamatory. I haven't had a problem since.

By the way, I was a total natural medicine cynic before this.
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Mark,

We then buy it through the doctors or pharmacies or where does the general public get the "good stuff?"
I buy it direct from the company. I expect any pharmacy would order it for you but it can be expensive...180 caps for about $65 msrp. I dunno of other good brands ... when I found this I stopped looking. Try this web site:

www.phytopharmica.com

I thought they had changed the company name but Phytopharmica still appears on the web page...the bottle however says Integrative Theraputics. I'm not sure if they have changed their policy on who they sell to...you can try ordering from them or click on 'where to buy' at the top. Since I have a Veterinary lic. in Ca. I buy direct but a case or so at a time. The formula I use now is Glucoseamine/MSM. Really works for me but I take about three a day spread out thru the day. My left hip tells me if I've missed too many doses

I just checked two websites: the one above and this one:

www.integrativeinc.com/go/integrativeinc/_productdetails.aspx?alias=integrativeinc&tabalias=_productdetails&partcode=77550

I have always purchased form Phytopharmica but last time I ordered I got the Integrative Theraputics brand. I don't know what's going on with the two companies but they now appear to be separate. I have not ordered in several months. Both products work for me.
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First of all, if Ibuprofen is needed every time you exercise - your body (knees) does not approve of the training.
As a 300lb man there is very little my body (especially the knees) do approve of anymore

Seriously though, good info and thanks. I have it in my head that as I play more I will hurt less, but I also know that it's very easy to over do it. Even more easy when you really enjoy the activity (I played 5 sets yesterday).

Since the body is producing the inflammation to heal, am I hindering the healing by taking an anti-inflammatory?
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Stay away from naproxen. It will kill you. The side effects of many pain relievers are worse than the pain. How about slow erosion of the stomach/intestines with a potential of "holes"?

Be very careful. Even MDs rarely check on all the potential downsides of specific "cocktails" they prescribe.
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As a 300lb man there is very little my body (especially the knees) do approve of anymore

Seriously though, good info and thanks. I have it in my head that as I play more I will hurt less, but I also know that it's very easy to over do it. Even more easy when you really enjoy the activity (I played 5 sets yesterday).

Since the body is producing the inflammation to heal, am I hindering the healing by taking an anti-inflammatory?
Not significantly. As long as the interval between each session is long enough for the pain to go away completely and the problem does not get worse each time it is probably OK to keep it up - with or without Ibuprofen.

Please note, I got into this discussion on account of the use of Ibuprofen, which I think is perfectly alright to use intermittently as long as you do not have any issues with your stomach. The actual knee problem is orthopedic and as such out of my expertise. Well, in all fairness, I should probably avoid any medical statements at all regarding adults..
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When I was 43, I decided to start jogging in anticipation preventing weight gain (turned out I didn't have to worry about it). After 3 to 6 weeks (can't remember now) my knees started to have pain. I thought it was from the stress & my body would adjust, so I kept running. Soon after that, my knees started swelling up and became puffy. I went to an orthopedist who X-rayed them from about 6 different angles and pronounced that my knees were pretty much worn out and running wasn't appropriate. I quit that, started walking and the problem went away.
About 15 years later, I worked out at a gym lifting weights and exercising on a stair stepper. I noticed after awhile (maybe 2 years) my joints, especially my elbow joints, were hurting afterwards from the weight exercises. I thought it was again just adjustment to the stress. My membership ran out and I didn't renew because I really didn't have time to go faithfully. Soon after that my joints stopped hurting.
I guess the moral of the story is that you should listen to your body. If it is telling you the exercise is injuring you, you should consider changing the type of exercise of reduce the frequency or intensity of it. I can tell you right now when you get into your later years and your body and/or joints hurt almost constantly from over use and stress, you'll be sorry you didn't pay attention to it when your were younger. Plus, Len, just your weight is stressing your joints and associated other parts. I noticed you were attempting to loose some of that weight before. Maybe continuing to focus more on that would be a big help.
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This is a big part of the weight loss effort but I understand what you're saying. Up until maybe 5-6 years ago I was extremely active and i guess it's hard to accept that I can't do everything anymore. I'm still fairly young though so I shouldn't have to cash in my chips just yet
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No kidding, try Asprin.

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