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Shaun @ Tru6 08-09-2007 05:20 AM

Newt Gingrich offered without comment
 
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Jim Richards 08-09-2007 06:40 AM

It sounds like ol' Newt wants to kill all the Muslims. :rolleyes:

carnutzzz 08-09-2007 08:39 AM

I don't see that.

If the muslims policed themselves we wouldn't have to. Why don't they?

Because they don't care how many are hell-bent on wiping-out us infidels. Makes them guilty of something, doesn't it?

ckissick 08-09-2007 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3418120)
It sounds like ol' Newt wants to kill all the Muslims. :rolleyes:

No, he wants to wipe out Islamic extremism that would prevent women from attending that meeting. I missed the part where he said to kill all muslims.

nostatic 08-09-2007 10:17 AM

hyperbolic tripe to inflame the masses. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a politician.

Is some of what he says true? Most certainly. Does that mean that his conclusions that there are two alternatives (surrender or defeat them ) necessarily follow? No. That is the problem.

Shallow words for a deep problem.

onewhippedpuppy 08-09-2007 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3418120)
It sounds like ol' Newt wants to kill all the Muslims. :rolleyes:

Guess I missed that part too.

He may over simplify things, but at least he skips the PC BS of pandering to the minorities. It may be political rhetoric, but I'm tired of liberals trying to convince us that the people trying to kill us aren't really trying to kill us. All muslims? No. But even the moderates disagree with our way of life, while the extremists are are a bit more forceful. Not to mention, the "traditions" of many muslims when it comes to women are simply obscene, and get very little media attention. I agree with freedom of religion, but not when that religion promotes opression, rape, and abuse of women.

Racerbvd 08-09-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 3418470)
hyperbolic tripe to inflame the masses. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a politician.

Is some of what he says true? Most certainly. Does that mean that his conclusions that there are two alternatives (surrender or defeat them ) necessarily follow? No. That is the problem.

Shallow words for a deep problem.


Considering their actions & history of violence to everyone, including civilians, what would you have us do, stick our heads in the sand and pretend they aren't going to do anything???

nostatic 08-09-2007 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 3419021)
Considering their actions & history of violence to everyone, including civilians, what would you have us do, stick our heads in the sand and pretend they aren't going to do anything???


Have I ever said that? The answer to that would be, "no." Things need to be done, but there are more than two choices. Surrender and knee-jerk "turn 'em to glass" are not the only ways to go.

So the question remains, what are each of us personally doing in the global war on terror? I hear a lot of blow-hard posturing and talk of taking the fight to them, but seemingly very little real action.

Racerbvd 08-09-2007 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 3419072)
Have I ever said that? The answer to that would be, "no." Things need to be done, but there are more than two choices. Surrender and knee-jerk "turn 'em to glass" are not the only ways to go.

So the question remains, what are each of us personally doing in the global war on terror? I hear a lot of blow-hard posturing and talk of taking the fight to them, but seemingly very little real action.

Please, tell us, what else can we do that hasn't been tried for who knows how many years!!!! It is very clear that they have one goal, being that most Muslims will not speak out against terrorist actions and some, even ones here celebrate their actions. Their goal has been made clear, their actions have shown that they are willing to do what ever it takes to achive that goal.

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Does that mean that his conclusions that there are two alternatives (surrender or defeat them ) necessarily follow? No. That is the problem.
Us not willing to do what it takes, is what is going kill us:(

nostatic 08-09-2007 04:57 PM

Well then, it would seem that figuring out ways to get the moderates to speak out and root out the extremists might be a good path, no? You think nuking Mecca is going to have that effect?

Some of us are working on ways to do the former so we don't have to resort to the latter.

Racerbvd 08-09-2007 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 3419096)
Well then, it would seem that figuring out ways to get the moderates to speak out and root out the extremists might be a good path, no? You think nuking Mecca is going to have that effect?

Some of us are working on ways to do the former so we don't have to resort to the latter.

It worked in Japan didn't it

Mark Wilson 08-09-2007 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 3418120)
It sounds like ol' Newt wants to kill all the Muslims. :rolleyes:

What's your point?

nostatic 08-09-2007 05:18 PM

it isn't the 1930's

Don't worry...you just keep doing what you're doing to help the fight...

Racerbvd 08-09-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 3419134)
it isn't the 1930's

Don't worry...you just keep doing what you're doing to help the fight...

And you keep encouraging the terrorist like jane fonda did in Vietnam

nostatic 08-09-2007 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 3419158)
And you keep encouraging the terrorist like jane fonda did in Vietnam

Wow, you have no idea how moronic/ironic that comment is. But that's ok too. Have a super night!

Tobra 08-09-2007 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 3418470)
hyperbolic tripe to inflame the masses. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a politician.

Is some of what he says true? Most certainly. Does that mean that his conclusions that there are two alternatives (surrender or defeat them ) necessarily follow? No. That is the problem.

Shallow words for a deep problem.

I disagree.

They are heartfelt words by a man who loves his country and has devoted a good part of his life to it. Obviously there are more than 2 choices, but as you say, he is a politician, they speak in soundbites. I would say he is trying to do the same thing with his audience that you are to Byron, motivate them to do something positive about this.

Americans are not taking this situation seriously enough(well you are). Is a bit of hyperbole to snap their apathetic asses to attention that awful? If you still think what you said in my sig, perhaps not...

nostatic 08-09-2007 06:34 PM

I'm in agreement with what you say. The problem with hyperbole is it cuts both ways. Yes, it can move people to action. But it also gets them to think in very black and white terms, and that can lead to even more problems.

I don't doubt that Gingrich is heartfelt in what he says. But he's also courting big money, and he's no dummy. He knows what will sell. Same thing with Michael Moore. I watched Sicko and was fairly appalled by his hyperbole. I try to see through it to the real issues. And I use hyperbole quite a bit (like in my first response to this post). For some of the same reasons that Gingrich and Moore do...to provoke a response and get a dialogue going. So maybe we're not that different...but it just bugs me to see paper tigers.

Rearden 08-09-2007 06:47 PM

Right on, Newt. Americans don't take the war on terror (war against radical islam) seriously enough.


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