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dd74 09-17-2007 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by speedracing944 (Post 3484227)
The reason I am looking at a kit car is there really isn't a manufacture which makes a new car I want to drive. Not even Porsche.

That's pretty much the feeling I have. Most of us have vintage 911s which are arguably some, if not the best car ever made. But even the Lotus Elise I drove was not as entertaining as my 911. So what does one do when they want another toy other than their Porsche?

speedracing944 09-17-2007 02:43 PM

What I think is funny is how Porsche designed and made a car to suit himself because nobody made a car which suited him.

Speedy:)

Zeke 09-17-2007 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 3483979)
Totally depends on who built it and the quality of their work.

I think the thread started out with this caveat, "...whether or not you or someone very well trusted built you a kit car, say like this one:"

And then Wayne said just what I would have said:
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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3484150)
No worse than driving an old 911 that has been wrenched on by people who don't believe in torque wrenches. Seriously, there's some significant danger in not knowing who has previously serviced your car...

-Wayne

If we assume David meant what he said, I'd say with a good going over to make sure everything is tightened as it should be and the brakes bled, etc., I'd take a kit car (should I ever want one).

But something from an unknown source should probably be taken apart to a certain level just to see how well it was done. I mean, I don't really like driving the 911 I have that fast because I haven't been into it too deep yet.

However, what work was done (a lot) seems to have been done by a good shop. I have a thick folder of receipts from the beginning that came with the car. That's somewhat comforting on a high mileage car, like mine.

Trouble with kits cars is that unless it WAS done by a professional shop, there will be no records.

dd74 09-17-2007 03:11 PM

Milt is correct. Predicated on whether the owner (if they have the talent) built the car, or a trusted shop known by the owner, could a kit car be relied upon, particularly more than a newer car built on some ubiquitous assembly line?

Shaun @ Tru6 09-17-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3483971)

The level of safety engineering in a Porsche or MBz is MUCH higher than for a kitcar.

Captain Obvious strikes again.

Porsche-O-Phile 09-17-2007 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3484150)
No worse than driving an old 911 that has been wrenched on by people who don't believe in torque wrenches. Seriously, there's some significant danger in not knowing who has previously serviced your car...

-Wayne

And calibration of said torque wrenches from time-to-time. . .

Shaun @ Tru6 09-17-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 3483955)
I've always wanted to build a kit.

I'm learning how to weld, but a good TIG/MIG machine might be out of my budget. (Not to mention I don't have a place to weld safely.)

The debate in my head keeps going back and forth between paying for the kit to be shipped welded and welding myself.

Oh well, it's probably a few years off anyway.

in a crash, would you trust kit car factory welds, or novice welds? Anyone can lay nice beads, but how do you know you are getting penetration? Answer: years of practice. years of breaking your own welds.

I'm seam-welding my 69, but if someone said, "Here's all the sheetmetal stampings, have at it." even with simple spot welds and proper jigs, I'd have an experienced welder build my car.

Laneco 09-17-2007 04:25 PM

I would have no reservation about using a kit car as a daily driver if my husband built it. I have 11,000 plus miles on ours and would walk out the garage right now, put the key in it and drive it from Oregon to Florida with no reservations and no prep work. It's that good.

Conversely, I've seen hundreds of kit cars in my travels and some of them are true horrors. Do not assume because it's a manufacturer's car versus a homebuilt that you will see a difference in quality. There is one builder whose workmanship is so extroardinary that the vehicles produced command roughly twice the going rate of similar cars. When you pick up your new vehicle from him, there are no used parts - they are new. The car has undergone 600 plus miles of HARD road testing and any issues are corrected before delivery. Compare that to recent deliveries from another builder... This 2nd builder delivered a car recently with trim falling off, the steering wheel upside down, a hole in one of the carburetors, unsychronized linkage between the carbs, and engine bay sheet metal made of wood-grained mobile home siding.

Many home builders are true craftsman - my husband is one. Many others are best described as hairless monkeys... If you are a craftsman, and you build the car yourself using proven and understressed mechanicals (as you've posed with this miata based build), you should enjoy excellent exceptional reliabilty from the vehicle.

angela

deanprichard 09-17-2007 06:08 PM

im building the car i want, not a kit car per-se, but all the things i want , but doesnt exist. i think to be truely happy, i have to design and build it myself, so i dont have the itch to modify too much or the limitations of design of a production car. i am a big fan of building a kit car. would i buy one already made? probably not. if anyone's gonna screw up my car, its gonna be me
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/p...ytonbigsby.jpg

cab83_750 09-17-2007 10:23 PM

I was serious about building a Butler Cobra some years ago. Unfortunately, getting the registration and insurance became too much of a hassle for me living in California.

I am not sure what the reg's are nowadays.

K9Torro 09-18-2007 01:17 AM

Go on Angela post a pic of the 550/6 you have ,

Todd SmileWavy

Laneco 09-18-2007 05:27 AM

http://66.236.61.177/showthread.php?t=305033&highlight=wandering+star

angela

onewhippedpuppy 09-18-2007 11:46 AM

Would I trust a kit car? Sure!:D
http://www.gaijininc.com/vehicleimages/070906m121.gif

tc-sacto 09-18-2007 12:18 PM

Yes,
I'd design one with everything I want.


Look how good it turned out for this guy:
http://girtby.net/images/homer-car.gif

legion 09-18-2007 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedracing944 (Post 3484227)
After the 948 project is built and I am done with school I am going for the FFR GTM or Daytona. The Daytona looks more hardcore and is lighter than the GTM.

Both cars are amazingly fast.

The reason I am looking at a kit car is there really isn't a manufacture which makes a new car I want to drive. Not even Porsche.


Speedy:)

Let me know when you are getting close (within a year) to starting a GTM. I would consider selling my 951 to build one. The added benefit is being able to get parts locally...

scottmandue 09-18-2007 12:37 PM

Slightly off topic,
I saw a documentary on this guy, he would build a car from scratch and go out and beat the big manufacturers. They said he would draw the frame out on the garage floor with chalk then cut and weld tubing and build a car up from that.:eek:

http://oldyeller2.com/historical.html

rattlsnak 09-18-2007 01:20 PM

I'd absolutely take a Noble..!

Rob Channell 09-18-2007 05:45 PM

I'd like a Factory Five Cobra replica built by Tim Hancock......

nota 09-18-2007 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gt350mike (Post 3484206)
I never have owned a kit car but I know several people who built/own a Cobra replica. These cars are a blast to drive and can be reliable, but that really depends on who is the manufacturer of the kit car. You can spend days surfing the net trying to determine who builds a quality kit/replica. If you are looking for a Cobra, check out this site (http://www.clubcobra.com/). I have been tempted several different times to build a Cobra, but I have the same excuse as most guys (spending quality time with the family and sending most of my play money to my son at Auburn). I do know one guy that built a Factory Five car and he drives it

The only exceptions to that “rule-of-thumb” are the FIA cars; the FIA cars ran small block Fords. Don’t even think about using a Chevy motor….....it’s just not right to stick a Chevy motor in a car that Carroll Shelby built around the Ford engines.



DISCLAIMER - I am not forgetting the fact that the Cobras were originally AC Bristol cars with 4 or 6 cylinders motors before Shelby put his magic in them. The Bristol were nice, but I'd like mine with a V-8!

uncle Carroll 's first car had a chevy V8
he went to GM to show them the car and talk about discounts on quanity motor purchases
GM said NO threat to our vett and GM IS STUPID ect
he pulled the chevy installed the then new 260ci ford
and went to see ford, ford said how many motors do you need, and where do we send them!!!!!!!!!

so history is not against chevy cobras that was the mans first thought
LS6 in one would be cool

I like factory 5 cars, more importantly a buddy who was a shopboy at shelby
in the mid 60's glory days does too and plans to build one

my toy car is a stock looking fiero GT
northstarDOHC V8 5 speed with vett 13'' brakes
custom tube a-arms and anti-roll bars with a 88 rear set up :D

gt350mike 09-19-2007 02:19 PM

I heard that SC talked with Chevy, but I didn't know that he went as far as actually putting one in a car.......Thanks!

I personally think the 260/289 was a better choice because it was only 450/460 lbs and the SBC was in the neighborhood of 100 lbs heavier. The Ford 427 is around 650 lbs (not sure if that is with an aluminum intake or not) but it wasn't used in the same chassis.


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