So where are all the Patriots haters today?
 

Heh, heh, heh. . .


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The Jets are such a bunch of whiners. Can't wait for December. The next time they face off they'll be lucky to get off the field alive.

Norv Turnerr is a terrible coach, look at his record. San Diego deserves everything that happens to them for letting Marty go.

I'll reserve judgement for the Pats still.

They should have forced Belichek to dress up for the games, not like a bum.

Great sign. I wonder if he considered It's only Cheatin' if Ya Get Caught. Belichick can win every Super Bowl & he'll still be an arrogant, cheatin' pr!ck.

There, that good enough for you?

Belicheck rules, patriots rule, I'm all smiles this morning.
I was surprised at how fired up and physical the pats were last night, basically they all looked pissed!
I agree that the jets are in trouble the next time they play the patriots, they better bring bodyguards.

The Pats were good. The Chargers sucked. End of story.

I am so proud of the players.
No matter what the coaches did - and I am still disapointed that they would cheat (if it quacks like a duck...)
The players showed they are winners.
As usual , Tedddy said it best .

And;
San Diego showed that even if they may not cheat they have no class.
So if they play 10 times they would beat them 9 ? Eh LT ?

Yeah, what's up with LT? 1.9 yards per carry, Is he hurt or just phoning it in?

Cheating must have been the way the Pats won three super bowls. In no way did the perfect passes that Brady threw to Moss for touchdowns have anything to do with it.

Flip the coin. If they're altogether so superior, why cheat & look like *****s?

I'm neither a fan nor a hater of the Pats, but they were good last year, and they are far better this year, with their 3 new receivers (all very, very good) and their additions to the defense. Could it be an undefeated season? Maybe not (that's really, really tough), but they are not going to lose many games this year.

wait till Harrison comes back in game 5

From what I hear, practically every team does the "cheating" thing with the camera; Mangini was only trying to play a head game with Bellicheck (sp?) ... yeah, as if THAT's gonna work.

I really don't follow football all that much - to tell you the truth I don't know much about the game. But I do sit down and watch a game from time to time, and from what I've seen, the Patriots simply look like the class of the NFL, and I think a lot of the "Pats-hating" just comes from envy.

Just an outsider's .02.

I don't really hate the Pats, just don't like em that much. I guess what started my down fall from kind of liking the Pats to wanting to change the channel if they were on TV, was the reference that Brady is a QB that should be placed up there with the likes of Bradshaw, Montana,, and Aikman. If he's that good, why did the Pats always seem to be scraping out wins (big ones) off the foot of Vinatieri?

There are 15 other QB's in the business right now that could do what he does with that team.

I have to agree.

I really think the coaches blew it.
They have fantastic players and excellent coaching preparation and game plans, but they must have felt that wasn't enough somehow.
Like they didn't believe that was enough.
Or they get so involved they don't know where to stop (even if they get a note from the comish).
Always looking for that "unfair advantage" always leads to some crossing of the line.

But I also think the media feeding frenzy was ridiculous.
That's what I like about Belichick, he suffers no fools. He apologized, paid the fine , and got back to work. No Opera (Winfied OR Sigfried).

Congratulations on the win, i wish the raiders had the same luck (shanahan calling a timeout before our field goal kick, grrrrrrrrr).
I will say however that as a raider fan norv turner is useless and when i heard that the chargers were getting turner as a coach, i new that things would sooner or later go down the drain for the chargers. I didn't think things would turn this fast, but LT with 1.9 yds avg per carry is garbage, hell even the raider's lamont jordan is ranking up 4.5ish per carry right now (only two games though).

You must have started switching the channel awfully early in his career...
Certainly the media once again makes it hard to like a lot of "THE GREATESTS OF ALL TIME !!!" (always before they really earn it) in all sports, ..
It isn't Tiger I hate, it's the way sportscasters drool all over him.
He (Brady, and OK Tiger) is WITHOUT QUESTION one of the very best.
Look at the stats. Look beyond the stats.
Those winning drives in the Super Bowls were HIS.

You must not remember Montana and the 49ers - all the last minute wins.

the spelling as i understand it is bellicheat....

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They didn't show it , but before the game began a picture of Belichick was put on the big screen - and the entire stadium rose to give him an ovation.
No - not because he is a cheater, but because he was being attacked and when you see a member of your family being beat on you back him up (even if they do something stupid and deserve some of what they are getting)

Then beat us on the field. If you can.

Blah blah blah, etc. its hard to believe that after all of these seasons where
Tom Brady was basically throwing to NO good receivers on those Super Bowl
winning teams..... and still putting up VERY GOOD numbers while winning 3 SBs
with NO good receivers..... (anyone heard from David Givens lately? hello?)

If you have a chance, go back and look at the Patriots receivers rosters
since TBs first year as the starter in 2001. Go back and tell me....where
are the good receivers? Troy Brown was good... and also maybe
Deon Branch....(maybe, but Branch is predictably disappearing in Seattle
with a different QB isnt he??)

Now that he has some GOOD receivers, Brady's numbers are more than
VERY GOOD, they are OUTSTANDING. 80% completion rate.....6 TDs 1 Int....
On the way to a 4th SB Win? Perhaps....

and what about the intangibles.... surely a QB is not just judged on his numbers.

Manning and Brady are 2 of the best of all time... both are eligible to be and
should be considered among the top 10 QBs of all time.

Anyone who does not see that about Tom Brady....really should
re-evaluate themselves as a football fan, particularly where it comes to
evaluation of players and talent on the field.

So enough already....

:cool:

PS...the post interestingly enough came from Irving Tx.... and mentioned Aikman.

OK...compare Aikman's numbers, which included 3 SB wins with a Hall of Fame Wide Receiver
to throw to....and a Hall of Fame Running Back behind him...

show me those numbers....compare them to Brady's (who has had no Hall of Famers to
throw to or to hand to)

(hint) Troy Aikman threw for over 20 TDs in only 1 season in his entire career (!!) with HOF'ers all around him...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=53

How has T. Brady done? 5 seasons over 20 TDs all ready, and on his way to a 6th

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5228

The statistical comparision between Brady and Aikman is not even close.

Brady wins by a landslide, with much less talent around him.

"us"? do you often refer to you and the team a "we" too? that even happens here with raider fans, cracks me up.


"we", like you'all is collecting r. crafts checks.

me

Belichik got smacked for the same reason Martha Stewart went to jail, being a pompous ass. He got busted for this last year at GB and was warned. Then the NFL issues a memo on the subject. This arrogant pr!ck sends the SAME GUY who was busted last year back into the stands to do it again. Do it again Hoodie! Show the commish who's in charge.

"beian a pompous ass".
If that nets jail time I'm investing in prison construction mutual funds.
Jim

He does the same thing they all do, I just don't think he gives a rat's ass if he gets caught. It doesn't really matter anyway, the Pats are so talented this year, they will only have themselves to blame if they can't pull out another Superbowl.

I think he gives a rat's ass now. Let him poke Gudel in the eye again. He'll be coaching shuffle board.

Hmm. . . I heard their meeting was "amicable" but who knows. . .

A little reference material for you Pattys. When Montana won his 1st Super Bowl he did it throwing to household names like Earl Cooper & Mike Wilson. Brady's very good but he's no Joe.

So, do the Patriots SB victories now need an * next to them?

This is a lot like what the Barry Bonds hater's seem to chant in my opinion. If BB record breaking ball needs an astrick, so do the Pat's SB Championships.


What' funny is that the Pat's get caught cheating and there is nobody gets suspended. The Coach should have been suspended a few games in addition to the fine. An assistant coach on another team has a prescribed medication that is banned and gets suspended but an active head coach gets caught cheating outright and there is no suspension. A double standard perhaps?

Best way I've heard it put is thus:

If Goddel had thought even for a minute that Bellichick wouldn't be back with NE next season to fix this mess, he'd have suspended him. The fact that he will be (rumor is until at least 2013) shows the comish has some confidence in Bellichick to remedy it.

This is much ado about nothing anyway. It really is pretty inconsequential and people should give this a rest already. There's a HUGE difference between taking a few video clips of signals (which are varied normally every half anyway) and shooting up steroids your whole career in order to inflate your numbers. In the former case, it's a marginal advantage at best, in the latter it can take a decent player and turn them into a record-breaking gorilla.

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The clown from TN has the sack to say anything about the Pats when Jeff Fischer coaches the Titans?

Puh-leaze. Fischer is a punk and so is half his team.

Brady is one of the all-time great quarterbacks. I thought this was put to bed years ago? People far more knowledgable than some TN hayseed all agree. Brady = Hall Of Fame QB.

Great post deathpunk. 'Ey grow 'em smart up your way huh?

Ron Jaworski couldn't have completed 75 % of his passes if the defense never made it onto the field.

But he never had Belichick.

LOL reminds me of the rams when they were in anaheim.
The joke goes that the scoreboard flashed:
Will the woman with the 11 kids please come pick them up, they are beating the rams 24-0.

Jaworski's opinion doesn't carry much weight with me. I've heard him say things many times that I thought were complete BS.

Joe Montana is my all time favorite QB and IMO the best that ever played the game.
I also think Brady is in the top 10, maybe even the top 5 of all time but that might be a stretch.
I have no doubt that he is either the best or second best QB that is currently playing the game.
Sometimes I think he's better than Manning, sometimes not.
maybe it's because Brady makes it look so darn easy that is seems like it's no big deal.

The reason I like the pats is because they are one of the ONLY teams in the league with class.
No showboaters, no mouths who can't shut up, no whiners or attention-whores (not to mention any names, but his initials are Terrell Owens). No stupid 'look at me" antics or rehearsed childish games in the end zone. No athlete arrests of the day.

Bellichick won't stand for that kind of low-life ghetto attitude. Heck even Randy Moss is behaving himself this year.
The pats represent what used to make football great. That team first, me second attitude is what makes them winners.
In comparison the raiders and bengals represent what is killing the sport.

Damn Sammy, we agree on something.:D

Yep, we just had to dig a little deeper to find something we have in common.

A couple months ago I posted something that Nostatic agreed with, maybe I'm just gettin less cantankerous in my old age SmileWavy

I'd rank 'em Joe, Bradshaw, Snake, Brady, Peyton. Everybody talks about Bradshaw being an idiot, not too many idiots win 4 Super Bowls at QB. I bas a lot of that ranking on leadership & team inspiration.

I couldn't agree more. I grew up in Michigan rooting for the Lions when Night Train Lane and Wayne Walker were playing there and I'll tell you it's great having a team like the Patriots to root for now that I live in New England. They are football like it used to be - no BS, just put it on the field at gametime. As far as Mule bashing Belichick - you couldn't be more wrong. He is the complete opposite of being a pompous ass, he might come off that way only because he doesn't get involved in all of the press BS - he won't get into it - it's just and only about football with him.

Truthfully, which one of you guys wouldn't want the Patriots coming out of the tunnel on Sunday as your team with Belichick as the coach?

I actually hope that the public bashing continues because the best team in football with a chip on their shoulder is a fun thing to watch....if they are your team.:D