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legion 10-16-2007 07:42 AM

Putin
 
Seems this ex-KGB psycho wants to rekindle the Cold War. Too bad the supposed plot in Iran didn't pan out.

motion 10-16-2007 07:55 AM

Sure looks like we're headed that way... but I will say that he is revered in Russia. More than we can say.

RickM 10-16-2007 08:04 AM

Well he's made clear that the Caspian can't be used to attack Iran. He's also warning the US against any such attack.

Porsche-O-Phile 10-16-2007 08:13 AM

He's just doing what the Russian people would want - trying to ensure that Russia is not marginalized any worse than it already has been and is viewed as a significant player on the world stage.

Joeaksa 10-16-2007 08:17 AM

And I am heading to Moscow shortly. Why could'nt he have waited six months to become more difficult? The question is, how far is he going to go?

His term is supposed to end shortly but wonder what trick he is going to use to get around this?

legion 10-16-2007 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 3534419)
And I am heading to Moscow shortly. Why could'nt he have waited six months to become more difficult? The question is, how far is he going to go?

His term is supposed to end shortly but wonder what trick he is going to use to get around this?

Russian law prohibits serving more than 2 consecutive terms as president.

I'd guess that he will let someone else get elected, assasinate them on their second day in power, and be right back in the President's chair.

legion 11-07-2007 11:15 AM

Our boy is at it again:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071107/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_opposition

Quote:

Georgia - U.S.-allied President Mikhail Saakashvili declared a state of emergency Wednesday in the capital of Georgia, where six days of demonstrations have fueled a worsening crisis.

Saakashvili has blamed Russia for fomenting the unrest in the former Soviet nation. His prime minister, Zurab Nogaideli, said in a televised statement that there had been an effort to overthrow the pro-Western government.
...
Saakashvili said in a televised address that Russian spy agencies were behind the protests and that three Russian diplomats were being expelled because of espionage activities.

Russia's Foreign Ministry dismissed Saakashvili's claims as an "irresponsible provocation" and said they were an attempt to distract attention from domestic problems.

Tobra 11-07-2007 11:26 AM

He is a bad actor who will be in power for a long time to come. I would like to go to Russian Georgia someday and see where my grandfather lived as a youth.

Here is a bit of trivia for you Chris. Gulliver(as in, "I have a pain in me gulliver") is a bit of a corruption of the russian word for head. Fair amount of the slang in Clockwork Orange is derived from russian for some reason.

legion 11-07-2007 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3574523)
He is a bad actor who will be in power for a long time to come. I would like to go to Russian Georgia someday and see where my grandfather lived as a youth.

Here is a bit of trivia for you Chris. Gulliver(as in, "I have a pain in me gulliver") is a bit of a corruption of the russian word for head. Fair amount of the slang in Clockwork Orange is derived from russian for some reason.

Like ptitsa, veck, litso, and so on?

IIRC, Burgess wanted to paint a UK that was overrun with poor, eastern European immigrants.

Rearden 11-07-2007 11:59 AM

Garry Kasparov explains Putin's game


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Seric 11-07-2007 12:49 PM

I certainly don't trust Putin on any level, his KGB past is all I need to know that he's not batting for the good guys. I wonder how much control he has over the Russian Mafia, from what I understand from a relative, that thats who's running the show on the streets, especially in Moscow.

motion 11-07-2007 12:54 PM

I'm sure the mafia does have a large hand in Moscow, but corruption and bribery are rampant throughout the country. The big, new money in Russia comes from bribery. And its very evident in Russia's large cities.

Despite what Kasparov says, the Russians DO love their president and he has an extremely high approval rating. Russians are now enjoying a very quickly escalating standard of living. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fate Kasparov meets. :eek:

legion 11-07-2007 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 3574691)
Despite what Kasparov says, the Russians DO love their president and he has an extremely high approval rating. Russians are now enjoying a very quickly escalating standard of living. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fate Kasparov meets. :eek:

What was used on the President of Ukraine? What was used on the guy in London?

Still, Putin nationalized Yukos. Russia's wealth is tied to high oil prices. Notice how Iran starts making noise every time prices start to fall?

Dottore 11-07-2007 08:05 PM

[QUOTE=motion;3574691]

Despite what Kasparov says, the Russians DO love their president and he has an extremely high approval rating. Russians are now enjoying a very quickly escalating standard of living. /QUOTE]

Why wouldn't you like the guy? He's doing absolutely everything right in a very, very tough environment. Democracy is fine and all, but when the existing institutions themselves don't support a "pure" democracy - then it is better to have a so-called "guided" democracy where the executive tries to keep the train on the rails.

He's a thug of course - but he's a smart thug with a sense for nuance. He understands both the carrot and the stick. Unlike the shrub.

Mo_Gearhead 11-08-2007 04:34 AM

Several years ago I read a lengthy article in the Economist about how the infrastructure in Russia was deplorable. IIRC they had spent so much money in the 'arms race' that basic needs/repairs (ie: streets, water systems, sewer systems, electricity supplies, etc.) in many locals were literally ...crumbling.

Anyone here travel there much? Are those issues being addressed, since the break-up of the USSR?

red-beard 11-08-2007 04:43 AM

One of the guys reporting to me spent 2 years in Russia. We were talking about this stuff yesterday on the phone and he stated that as long as they have Vodka to drink, girl to f*** and food to eat, they are happy. They know the rulers rule, and as long as theyhave those three things, they are happy.

At that point I had an epiphany: This is the way thing have been forever. The peseants toil, and are rewarded with life, food and drink. Up until recently, they wouldn't even be called upon to fight, since that was the job of the rulers and the armies. Socialism, the state taking care of you, is just a different name for serfdom.

KFC911 11-08-2007 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 3575904)
Several years ago I read a lengthy article in the Economist about how the infrastructure in Russia was deplorable. IIRC they had spent so much money in the 'arms race' that basic needs/repairs (ie: streets, water systems, sewer systems, electricity supplies, etc.) in many locals were literally ...crumbling....

USSR/Arms race = USA/WoT :(?

motion 11-08-2007 04:43 AM

The infrastructure is a mess. Everything is shoddy Soviet-era block construction and crumbling. The new money is starting to make an appearance in Moscow, St Pete, Kazan, etc, but its going to be quite a while before the rest of the country sees improvement.


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