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stomachmonkey 03-20-2012 09:29 AM

It's been 4 1/2 years since this thread was originally started.

I would think Jim has everything sorted by now.

island911 03-20-2012 10:01 AM

is that a light weight con-rod and piston on an OE weighted crank? --if so, that can't be good. (read: hard vibrations/casting/fatigue...)

romad 03-20-2012 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 6635430)
It's been 4 1/2 years since this thread was originally started.

I would think Jim has everything sorted by now.

Now thats funny, I didn't even check that

romad 03-20-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 6635515)
is that a light weight con-rod and piston on an OE weighted crank? --if so, that can't be good. (read: hard vibrations/casting/fatigue...)


Thats a billet rod( better than stock) and a stock piston. These engines run 7000 grand all day long

john70t 03-20-2012 11:00 AM

Good catch SM.
4.5 years later, the reasons why any engine case would pop remains valid, though.

Could a mix of incomplete mixture(gas runoff into the case), with high compression and blowby(i.e. spark) cause this?

island911 03-20-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by romad (Post 6635589)
Thats a billet rod( better than stock) and a stock piston. These engines run 7000 grand all day long

"better" won't matter if the crank isn't balanced for the lighter weight.

Fatigue failure is ALL about the number of cycles and load. Inducing large vibrations into a casting (esp Alum)- not helpful.

romad 03-20-2012 12:30 PM

Metallurgically, the billet rod is substantially better than a cast stock rod and is actually heavier. As for your balancing concerns we are dealing with a single cylinder 4 cycle engine, vibration is simply a fact of life. Static or rotational you can only balance at one RPM setting anyway. Balancing a single does not reduce vibrational amplitude just its vector. And that is a guess.

The Animal was designed for racing RPM's, in stock rules racing there are no aftermarket parts that will substantial upset this engine.

TheFact 03-21-2012 08:21 AM

An assembly or a casting issue would be clear early on. With the condition of the parts and the age of the engine it's evident that this is not an assembly or casting issue.

romad 03-21-2012 12:57 PM

This was apparently a rare failure mode in the Animal 1st gen, so it was a design flaw in the block casting. My experience was with 4 and 5th gen engines, which had noticable structure changes in the block. There are some indications that chassis flex contributed to these failures. According to sources there has been no failures of this kind in the 4th and 5th gen's running in the stock classes.

TheFact 03-22-2012 08:24 AM

Product improvements highlight a company actively involved in what they build. It does not represent any design flaw whatsoever. To say that a 5 or 6 year old engine without any known history failed because of a design flaw when there are tens of thousands still actively raced doesn't add up.

Any product bought used should be gone through. Would you buy a used car without having a mechanic look at it? This is a 5 year old car, the odometer was broken, not to mention a million other possible variables are in play (from chassis flex to to chain tightness).


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