There are beautiful houses in every city.

I figure houses are like dogs. I've had many dogs over the years and loved them all, but when one passes away i get another and love him just as much.

IMo there is no emotional attachment to a building worth living in a ghetto or barrio for.
I love my house and I love North Orange and I love So Cal, but soon enough I will be leaving this state. I'm tired of watching it go down the tubes.
I will leave in about 8 or 10 years (when I take an early retirement). I'll and move somewhere nice where it will cost less and the people will still have hometown old fashioned morals and speak our language.

Yes I'll miss the way it used to be but it changing forever, Nothing we can do about that.

You figured wrong...about the house and the dog. Too bad, really.

Milt,

Best of luck in whatever path you choose.:)

Utah?

Hey Stilt come on down to Georgia , you cant beat the cost of living and the pace of the area , plus the real estate is super cheap-o-la.

Todd

BTDT in AL. I know enough to not go into a small community if I want to make any money locally. Man, the networks are fierce as James says. Everyone knows everyone and everyone else's business. I've seen people shunned by the church they choose. I'm not gonna put up with that. I'll have to stay on the West Coast; at least CA.

Funny, I can go 1.5 hours from here, be up in the mountains and experience all of the symptoms of middle America small town bias. I'd not make a dime for 5 years. By then, I'll be 67.

Hey Milt,
You notice that the gardner was latino. but why not point out the race the pilot (don't have to see one to guess)? Are you leaving because of the rude Latinos that do gardens or the rude white people that fly planes? Or was he a Latino flying over your beloved Long Beach and dropping of some dope after crossing the border....

I am not racially sensitive, but you can easily choose where to live. NO place is the same as it was 50 years ago, 30 years ago, or even 10.

I have a friend who lives in Louisville and you can buy a huge house there for next to nothing.... Also no latino types doing gardening, you get to do it yourself... You also get a sweet pregnant 18 year old girl working at McDonalds there before she puts on 200 lbs and blames the world why no one will give her a job.

I do agree that LB and LA are pretty dirty and rude, that is why I moved to the OC. I know you do not like the OC, but now it is a lot clearer on why.
Thanks for the story......

Love the Off topic forum......:cool:

[QUOTE=Danny_Ocean;3603075]C'mon over to Las Cruces.

I use to work at White Sands Missile Range in the late 80's/early 90's.
YOu have got to be joking!;);)

[QUOTE=Wickd89;3604121] Joking? About what? A nice quiet peaceful town where most everyone is friendly? No over-crowded freeways that create 2 hour delays just to get to work. No ****** latte-sipping"yuppies" driving SUV's while talking on their cellphones? No over-priced "McMansions" made out of architectural foam? Yeah...that's pretty funny if you ask me. :rolleyes:

If you haven't been back since the 80's/90's, it has "grown up".

[QUOTE=Danny_Ocean;3604230] Relax. You're acting like you live here in LB. ;)

There are parts of LB that I would live in. The regentrification downtown seems pretty cool, and I had friends who lived in the south end of the city as I recall, and it was nice (canals area?). For all its problems, I have to say that I love LA and SoCal. It is unlike anywhere else in the country. But it really depends on what is important to you...different strokes.

For me, the diversity is incredibly important. This morning I had dim sum in Monterey Park. Inside the restaurant it could have easily been Beijing...a couple of lao wai, and that's it. Last night was t-day dinner with a bunch of artist friends in Eagle Rock. Last week was street tacos from a cart on York Bl. in Highland Park. Tonight will be seeing "No Country for Old Men" at the Monica.

It ain't quiet and bucolic, but if I want that I can drive less than an hour and be in the middle of nothing.

I think you just need a vacation Milt ;)

[QUOTE=milt;3604236] Nah. Last time I was through LB was 1984. It was very nice back then. Couldn't pay me to live there now.

I just have to laugh, though, when someone living in Orange County poo-poo's anywhere else on earth. Talk about a pretentious, over-crowded, downward-spiraling sheethole! :eek:

I think you're right. Alas, not a good year for work, so money is tight. I make the nut somehow and always have. But, I built the 914 and the Ragamuffin during better times. I could go to Monterey with the R Gruppe then. Things are looking up business wise as I shift gears and get out of the window/door business and focus on high end work. I'm just going to be living in a lot of motels for anything that is over an hour commute in traffic (which ain't far in LA). Maybe the motels will bring perspective.

Kinda fun...Milt to move out, Joe to move in.....

Switch houses?

[QUOTE=Danny_Ocean;3604230] Good point. Should fly out and check it out. I have one friend that I keep in touch and when he moved to California, he said he would never return (except to visit). He ended up buying a Yukon Denali and he was a true Las Cruces Boy.

I use to stay at the Hilton, which was the only hotel in town, and except for the great green chili food, I could not find anything to eat.

I agree a huge city like NYC or LA might not be everyones taste, but I was never more bored in my life.
At the same time, towns like El Paso, Tucson, Austin, etc... are great compromises....

-- I drive 12 minutes to work.
-- I do not have a mega mansion. Nice normal 4br house with normal middleclass neighbors (with minivans and camrys -I'm the only one with a Pcar)
-- Architectural Foam. Well, in earthquake country, you need something that is easily repairable.
-- Latte is true. I'll take that one, I am Cuban and have been drinking them since i was 8. Use to call them cafe con leches. I am also married to a European girl and she has been drinking them her whole life.
-- SUV. Can't stand them.

I agree. To each his own. California is not for you. Las Cruces is not for me. :)

Go ahead Milt, Fly on out there and tell us what you think....