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Looks like it's all been said already...
With that aside.... Glock 17 9mm Mossberg 500A w/ pistol grip Intratec Protec 25 Intratec Tech 22 NO KIDS YET!!!!!!!! Pete ------------------ 77'Carrera3.0 www.geocities.com/pcafaro2000/carrera30.html |
They almost were - wasn't it the US that had a 55mph speed limit. Land of the free, eh? http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif
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Try bringing in High powered cars into New Zeeland.Steve
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Not the point, I guess, no relationship between ease of obtaining guns and shootings such as San Diego.....my mistake....just focus on the crime guns prevent? Guns need to be removed from society, firstly, criminals' guns. There's no place for them, but there is in a Society like the US. Crime has gone too far I think, people are frightened and feel in is necessary for protection. I don't know what can make that better. Hmmm...I'd probably get shot somewhere for saying that to a gun owner....wonder where....??? ------------------ '75 911S Targa http://member.aol.com/asaffery/my911s.html |
it seems logical that countries with gun control like Australia, Great Britain, etc. would have lower rates of violent crime, but actually that's not the case.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902 it seems when law-abiding citizens have guns, the society is safer. as a burgler, would you rather break into a house where you know the owner is armed or a house where you know the owner isn't? it's tough when we have preconceived ideas built up by many years of misinformation. [This message has been edited by Blackfoot (edited 03-06-2001).] |
I have to agree with you Saffs, this whole gun thing in the US seems so far removed from what we consider to be 'normal' in the UK.
Personally, I was shocked as a child on vacation in FL to see guns for sale in K-Mart three isles over from the toy section I was looking at! And to whether we should be discussing Porsches or gun control; this board is refreshing in the thought that goes into the posting, and I always find it interesting reading about the views from other (fairly) like-minded types. The only problem is we are not paying for the bandwidth we are taking with all this moral posturing... One last thing: why is liberal a dirty word? ------------------ '72 911E Sporto [This message has been edited by layzee (edited 03-06-2001).] |
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TRY: http://trp.orn.com/ Steve
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273 times as many people are killed by cars as are by guns in the US. (NSTB)
Don't hear the liberals ranting about banning cars, now do we? Of course not, that is TOTALLY different. LOL I wish all liberals would go move in with Tony Blair and leave those of us that have fought for freedom alone. Do not try changing America (or me) because you think you know how to save me from myself. Heal thy self, physician... Ok - I'm done. Anyone here own a Porsche? I'd love to hear about it! |
Any MGB-GT V-8?NZ Custom's Book says They are prohibited from importation? Steve
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Oh, the problem with the MGB-GT V8 will be if it is left-hand drive. Cars have to be more than about 20 years old before LHD is ok, or owned by the importer for a minimum period of about 3-6 months. I forget exactly.
I have seen both 70's and 90's (ex Japan) MGB V8's here. Generally we have really lax car importing laws. Anyone can do it, only 12.5% GST to pay (no duty). Even LHD is ok if the car is old enough (like as in a 70's 911, hmmmmm.) More than half the newly registered cars on our road each year are second hand imports from Japan. We got lots and lots of high performance Japanese cars. I mean even parallel importing is ok. No handguns or automatic rifles though. And is an MGB V8 actually high powered, or just adequately powered http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/wink.gif. There are a couple of references to them in NZ at the MG car club: http://www.mgcarclub.org.nz/ Cam |
layzee,
I get the impession liberal is a dirty word and some here will criticise people if they think they are being liberal. Free speech ehh....? "I wish all liberals would go move in with Tony Blair...." was in an earlier post....nice attiude.... [This message has been edited by Saffs (edited 03-06-2001).] |
Even liberals have the right to free speech!
They are just wrong about everything they say! http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/wink.gif |
Liberal is a filthy four letter word!
I am all for government leaving me alone and only providing the infrastructure and defense of our nation. The fundamental flaw in liberals thinking is that they want to "help" people and make a big socialist government. I think less government and less taxes is better. Hunger is a powerful motivator for people to improve themselves! I support free trade only with countries that provide open trade for the US. China can kiss it! I think it is amazing how the liberals scream 1st amendment rights until someone disagrees with thier outrageous views. Can you say Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura? Free speach is a two way street. I could go on, but I will go back to p-car stuff... Steve S., I think you are on the right track! Amen! Peas, ------------------ Adrian Pillow 1979 911 SC 1966 VW Microbus PCA - Peachstate Region |
this reminds me of the not-so-recent
"I HATE ALL REPUBLICANS" thread put just 3 people in a room and you will see 3 different points of view. god-forbid that Cheney should croak, but to make everyone happy we should appoint Charlie I-really-want-to-be-Moses Heston to be his replacement. I have guns,too. I am ultra-left(commie) with a PORSCHE attitude I am really sick, I have no-cardonitis, dead battery ------------------ simon d 911-t.70 |
This has been an interesting thread. I found myself angry for a few hours after my last post. I just noticed it. Thinking of some of the extreme views, the critical focus if you dare to appear "liberal" and the barrage of unpleasant messages after a posting (one quote "I support free trade only with countries that provide open trade for the US. China can kiss it!")
None of my "real life" friends with cars are as unpleasant as this - and this is from people I don't know on the BBS!. I'm disappointed I think, really, the camaraderie seems nonexistent. Not experienced this in a lifetime of interest in cars and going to car shows, plus numerous friends I've made through cars....There's a distinct unfriendly and narrow minded air, and very patriotic and not exactly "World embracing"....I'm surprised some owners drive non-American cars! Very sad and time to take a break from the BBS..... |
I quote STEVE STROMBERG from a previous post: "You who live in the EU live under SOCIALISIUM not FREEDOM, blaha, blaha..."
Are you for real??????????? There ARE exceptions, my friend, but this statement shows how ill educated when it comes to the world outside the US many (NOT all!) americans are... how about picking up a history book, or watching some international news occationally?... |
I agree with Saffs.
Increasingly, I am leaving this BBS with a bad taste. The narrow-minded xenophobic attitudes of people like VIPR are just depressing. The amount of references to war, guns, the colonies and the nazis is disturbing. We left all this behind in Europe years ago. Lets talk about cars, not killing, death, war, rape and all the other crap that's contaminating this board. Get a life guys! |
Saffs, don't get put off by a few ultra-vocal right wingers; they don't represent the feeling of the board.
Also remember that not all Americans are like this - just look at Clinton's success in previous elections. Also, by its very definition, all of you praising free speech are being liberal. Allowing people to vote = liberal, I could go on. |
Ok guys. Relax and stay friendly. As long as we keep a polite enviroment we can (or at least should be able to) talk about almost everthing. (Steve & others restraint yourselves, please)
Now I'm going to be a little mean here, but no hard feelings remember. Who brought death, war, blood and the likes into the debate?? I think mostly anti gun persons did. As long as pro gun people can talk alone it's usually peaceful. Do you catch my point everybody? I'm not saying that some are jerks and others are innocent. It's just that it seems both sides are missing a point. Denmark is the proof that a compromise is possible. |
No Mikkel,
You posted the topic about guns. Remember this is a Porsche bbs, not a gun, war and death bbs. Tell me, what other function do guns have that doesn't involve destruction? I agree that there is sport in shooting, I enjoy clay pigeon shooting with a 12bore shotgun, but the guys that have got all excited on this topic are talking about protecting themselves in civil situations. That, is something completely different, my friend. You have innocently rolled over a rock and revealed some pretty unpleasant stuff underneath. Take my advice, roll the rock back and let's carry on with enjoying our cars. |
I consider myself quite liberal on alot of views, including the gun ownership thing. I personally have no (zero, nada) reason to personally own a handgun, and I do not accept that "home protection" is a factually valid argument (ownership decreases crime rate, but gun owners are more likely to get shot with their own gun than someone elses, etc etc etc). In addition, I do take great offense when Steve interprets the meaning of the constitution for us. Steve, if you are not a J.D. in constitutional law, please refrain from telling us what "our founding fathers were implying". But, living in a democracy, if more than 50% of the population want to own guns, then that should be law....As far as I can tell, this issue is so politically heated that it will not be solved agreeably in congress, rather in civil court. You leave the keys in your car and it is stolen, you can be held responsible for the damages. So should be a handgun (if you leave it unlocked). If you are willing to either bear the risk of a lawsuit (or buy insurance) you should be allowed to own. If you cannot or will not bear those costs, you should give it up since it is not right for society to bear the costs of one's "hobby" or "desire"
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Scott read Artical 1 sec 8 the powers of the Congress. I posted it earlier I did not interpet it I just read it, Please read it and tell where the congress has the power to make any gun laws.
Bo, I get my news from Shortwave Radio, the Internet, I do not own a TV. BTW 1978 Graduate USC School of Law. Not member of the Bar, I refuse to pledge my allegiance to the Queen of England,Which is what you do when you become a member of the Bar. Steve [This message has been edited by SteveStromberg (edited 03-07-2001).] [This message has been edited by SteveStromberg (edited 03-07-2001).] |
I think my television is more dangerous than a gun. Aiming a television at anyone under the age of 18 should be a crime.
I don't keep a gun in the house because I am a parent. I am beginning to believe that television has little to nothing to offer us. Someone asked me the other day how I find the time to "watch that thing?" I couldn't give him an answer...food for thought! Jw |
Can we talk about something that the conspiracy theorists and socialists won't get so upset about, like abortion or something?
You people need a hobby http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif ------------------ Mark Szabo 1986 911 Targa 3.2 1987 Escort 5-speed 1.9 The Porsche Owners Gallery |
I think my television is more dangerous than a gun. Aiming a television at anyone under the age of 18 should be a crime.
I don't keep a gun in the house because I am a parent. I am beginning to believe that television has little to nothing to offer us. Someone asked me the other day how I find the time to "watch that thing?" I couldn't give him an answer...food for thought! Jw |
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United States Senate, Judiciary Commitee report on the second amendment from 1982. http://www.2ndlawlib.org/other/other/senrpt/senrpt.html U.S. v. Emerson, Federal court case, from Texas 1999. This one is currently under appeal. http://www.2ndlawlib.org/court/fed/46fsupp2d598.html Both of these conclude that the 2nd amendment means axactly what it says, with a detailed background at to why. |
All about Guns See: http://links.shooters.com/
It's Weapons Wednesday on the Intel. Report. See http://www.pbn.4mg.com/intelreport.htm Steve [This message has been edited by SteveStromberg (edited 03-07-2001).] |
Steve, give it a rest mate.
Why don't you find something else to do. It's obviously getting lonesome in the bunker with your tins of bake beans, your shortwave radio and loaded rifles, waiting for the end of civilisation. You should get out more and realise that there is a world out there with lots of different sorts of people who mostly aren't that bad. You are obviously uncertain of your views, why else would you have to shout your views on this thread in a desperate attempt to persuade us all that you are right. Hey, you are right if that's what makes you happy. I have to pull you up on one point though. Britain and Northern Ireland. You're obviously a bit, how shall we say, narrow minded in your attitude. Could I make a suggestion that you don't go on about stuff that you obviously know very little about. You see, it makes you look stupid, and you wouldn't want that. You should understand that there are alot of things in this world that you can't solve with guns and bombs, really, its true. The fact that you have to keep digging about in the distant past to make some sense of your argument,shows that you have very little grasp of reality. It's people like you that keep sending money and weapons to the IRA that prolong the situation in Northern Ireland. If you ever emerged out of your bunker you would know that the Irish problem has more to do with gangsters, drug money and protection rackets than it has with any glorious freedom struggles that went on several hundred years ago. The british government is trying to settle the situation in Northen Ireland as best it can through dialogue and reconciliation. Something that is proving very difficult when the IRA haven't surrendered any weapons as they agreed to and people like you keep sending them more. The british army has moved out a long time ago and many political prisoners have been let out of jail. Incidentally, this has resulted in a number of gangster related shootings as they reestablish their territories. Why don't you look up the Omagh bombing where children and pregnant women (Irish nationals) were blown up by the IRA scum and see how great these terrorists are. Last week, these freedom fighters heroically left a torch bomb outside an army cadet centre in London where they blew the hand off a 14 year old boy who picked it up. They also blinded him in the only eye that worked after he lost one due to cancer. Heros indeed. |
I think it's time this thread was dropped. It's clear to me that many Americans (especially Steve!) have a very simplistic view of the situation in Northern Ireland and it's best they kept out of it.
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Come on fellas, this started out as an off topic question for those interested in guns. I suppose those that have no interest in guns should not have responded. However, here we are now, talking IRA vs GB and the bombing of pregnant women.
As I re-read many of these posts I am struck with a resounding sense of brotherhood. Yes - brotherhood. How else could one group of fellows disagree to the point of blows over one topic, and then be willing to help their "adversary" if the others Porsche need help? Porsche’s are beautiful, good, peaceful things that bring many different people together! http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/wink.gif I guess I am as guilty as anyone for being narrow-minded, and I apologize to those with different opinions. Neil Peart said it best: When the ebbing tide retreats Along the rocky shoreline, It leaves a trail of tidal pools In a short-lived galaxy. Each microcosmic planet A complete society. A simple kind of mirror To reflect upon our own: All the busy little creatures Chasing out their destinies… Living in their pools, They soon forget about the sea... |
Well said VIPR. I'll drink to that.
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Who claimed they set off that bomb,I havent head any group that said they did it. No I don't hunker in my bunker I get out and make signs and callinto talk radio tring to get people aware of what is happening to our country.If people in the UK would stand up for freedom maybe you wouldnt live in a country with TV Cameras on every corner. Have you read Geo. Orwells 1984 that book sums up what your country is today. Freedom is not Free, The founders of our nation lost everything to insuer that their dream of a Free Nation would last." TO IGNORE EVIL IS TO BECOME ACCOMPLICE TO IT". Martin Luther King,jr Seek the Truth and the Truth will set you FREE. Steve
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Saffs has a good point in that we tell it like it is on the BBS. I think Saffs does not like this since it is an on-line "community" and should be friendly. Personally I think it is friendly and to the point. I have no disrespect or hatered for people with opposing opinions, the opinions are just given bluntly because we do not have time for a politically correct essay. We practice the KISS principle http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif I love the controversy, when you meet people face-to-face you end up BSing as to not offend anyone and we call these white lies PC.
I think Steve has not interpreted the Constitution in his posts. The Constitution is amzingly well written and clear when taken in its correct context, granted it is based off Biblical ideals which you must be familiar with. Granted I beleive if church wants to have a say in government they better start paying taxes. I have not seen anything in the Constitution about social security, welfare, or socialized health care, have you? The oldest man that ever lived was Japanese and retired when he was like 80, then ran out of money and went back to work at 104 and lived until he was roughly 132, amazing. If you do not have any money then do not retire. I just have a beef about China being in the WTO. They have strict import rules, are communist, illegally reproduce copywritted material, and do nothing about child labor. All the things I love to support! Yes, I have to buy some things made in China because there is no other choice, but I do not like it. Also would someone owning an authentic Turkish/Oriental rug like to explain who and how those were made? Hmmm, kids in a sweatshop. We all want a better world and to stop injustices, but how do we vote with our pocketbook? I guess until it airs on Dateline/60 Minutes/ 20/20 it is not happening. Yes, I buy stuff I do not even want to know how got produced so I am not stoning anyone, but just be careful when possible as a consumer. Okay, enough of my craziness. I got my delievery of parts from PP yesturday so my weekend is jam packed full of fun!!! ------------------ Adrian Pillow 1979 911 SC 1966 VW Microbus PCA - Peachstate Region |
George Orwell is one of my favourite writers and 1984 is a fine book. It is a fictional novel however, and it's 'predictions' served as a sort of warning of what could happen in a communist system. George Orwell was very upper class and saw his way of life disappearing before his very eyes during the inter-war years as the newly created middle classes grew in importance and influence. Socialist thinking was very popular amongst the inteligentsia and it is against this threat that he aimed his novel.
The socialist threat never happened and Britain evolved in a different direction. The cameras you refer to are aimed at reducing crime that is running at a very high level in most of our inner cities. It is not a method of controlling people as Orwell suggested, but a way of protecting people from violent parts of the community, some of whom have guns. |
Right! Well, uh, is it correct that the difference between a Weber IDA and IDS carburettor is that the IDS has a high speed enrichment jet?
Anyone? Anyone? |
Roight!!
"Well then,...other than the Actuad"u"cts, education, plumbing, and paved roads............What have the re"o"mans ever don fer us!!??" "We'll all join the fight against weapons of mass destruction tonight, except Reg, who's out with a bad back." "solidarity brothers"... ------------------ Leland Pate ___79 SC Targa |
after this "GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR" yada yada is done.
we proud americans, who just happens to like a GERMAN car would have a dream...cruising on a not-so-american autobahn at a trillion miles per hour. waking up to a nightmare being pulled over by a highway car for going at 66 MPH at our interstates. Chill out...whether you belong to the left, center or right, we are still buddies on the other threads. We are just having fun...speaking our minds and getting to know our neighbors. ------------------ simon d 911-t.70 |
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