Al Gore-how inconvenient truth is?
 

An excellent read on Al Gore's recent trip to Bali

Sunday, December 16, 2007
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071216/OPINION03/712160309/1007/OPINION
Nolan Finley
Gore's warming plan will blister U.S.

Al Gore has met the global warming enemy, and it is U.S.
The former vice president and recent Nobel Peace Prize winner declared with great disdain at the international climate change talks in Bali that the United States bears the blame and shame for stalling the crusade against greenhouse gases.
"I am not an official, and I am not bound by diplomatic niceties," Gore said to applause. "So I am going to speak an inconvenient truth: My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali."
It's hard to imagine an elder statesman from any other nation rising to the global stage to hurl mud balls at his countrymen.
But Gore is now bigger than America. He belongs to the world. As such, he's fluent in the international language that translates every wrong into an indictment of Americans.
Gore's condemnation of his homeys reflects the frustration that the Bush administration isn't keen to agree to rigid caps on carbon emissions. Joined at times by other industrial nations worried about becoming deindustrializing nations, the U.S. prefers to leave Bali with a more flexible commitment to addressing global warming without growth-killing carbon mandates.
Gore could have spoken another inconvenient truth at the talks, if he weren't so hell-bent on casting America as the boorish ogre of the global warming drama.
He could have reminded the delegates that in 2006, total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions fell 1.5 percent -- and the intensity of those gases fell 4.2 percent -- without an international pact.
By contrast, the European Union, which is loudly proud of signing on to the Kyoto Protocol, increased greenhouse gas emissions 0.4 percent.
The decrease in U.S. emissions is attributed to a greater use of natural gas in electricity production, declines in agricultural and industrial methane output and better land-use and forestry practices, among other things.
That's some good news and might have started the conferees thinking about the effectiveness of voluntary, market-based solutions to global warming.
But that would rub hard against Gore's agenda of forcing America to accept a lesser place on the planet.
If last year's reduction proves to be a trend, the United States will trim its greenhouse gas emissions 15 percent during the next decade, without damaging economic growth.
That seems a reasonable strategy. Throwing the nation into an economic tailspin to address a situation we don't yet fully understand would be irresponsible.
But if Gore and his Bali disciples prevail, growth in the United States and other developed nations will grind to a quick halt, while developing nations such as China and India remain free to pollute at will.
That will trigger the greatest transfer of wealth in modern history, as American jobs rush to places with the least regulatory burdens, and more Americans join the ranks of the world's poor.
A generation from now, Americans may well look back at Al Gore as the Benedict Arnold of his age, someone so determined to save the earth he was willing to ruin his country.

Mark Steyn also commented on Gore's trip"

“Consider how deeply invested the "mainstream" is in a total fiction. At the recent climate jamboree in Bali, the Rev. Al Gore told the assembled faithful: "My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here." Really? The American Thinker's Web site ran the numbers. In the seven years between the signing of Kyoto in 1997 and 2004, here's what happened:
•Emissions worldwide increased 18.0 percent;
•Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1 percent;
•Emissions from nonsigners increased 10.0 percent; and
•Emissions from the United States increased 6.6 percent.
It's hard not to conclude a form of mental illness has gripped the world's elites. If you're one of that dwindling band of Westerners who'll be celebrating the birth of a child, "homeless" or otherwise, next week, make the most of it. A year or two on, and the eco-professors will propose banning Nativity scenes because they set a bad example”

Note to Al Gore:
Here's a thought, why not let people who are educated on the subject speak, and STFU. Your background is in politics, not science.

PS- Apparently Nobel Prizes are handed out to just about anyone these days.

I want one, too. It will look nice in my office.

Professor Farnsworth: It's a little experiment that might win me the Nobel Prize.
Leela: In which field?
Professor Farnsworth: I don't care -- they all pay the same.

C'mon! Al Gore has now joined the prestigious likes of Yassir Arafat and Kofi Annan as Nobel "Peace Prize" Laureates. That's the kind of company I'd like to keep. :rolleyes:

Al Gore is a dishonest opportunistic wacko. I respect him and what he says about as much as jessie jackson.

Al Gore was right to be embarrassed, and to try to distance himself from his US colleagues.

The behaviour of the US delegation at Bali was appalling. Here are 183 countries trying to seek a consensus on a serious committment to moving forward to reduce emissions - and they are blocked at every turn by a US delegation that refuses to agree to anything because they don't want "to box themselves into a corner".

At one point the South African delegation - I think it was - asked the US delegation to please "get out of the way" if they had nothing constructive to contribute, to great applause from the floor.

It was really pathetic to watch.

Is that when the douchebag started crying? Pathetic indeed.

Have been in Europe and a ways East the last 2 months and CNN and many of the European news agencies do nothing but cover his every word. Bet that if he farted that they would think that a new trend has started.

The guy makes me sick but he is walking all the way to the bank on this crap. He needs to just to cover his utilities on his multiple houses and private jets.

Maybe the whole world is wrong, and the hand full of troglodytes on this board are right about climate change.

I expect that a few years from now, when floods and droughts are commonplace, and you can't tell one season from another anymore, you'll still be here, muttering something about "flawed science".

No surprises there.

But what is truly is amazing, is watching an international conference in which the whole world is trying to nail down some measureable benchmarks for cleaning up the atmosphere - and always coming across the one bully boy that refuses to play; the solitary turd in the punchbowl: the good old US of A.

Even more pathetic, is the way this stance is justified. "We want to keep all options open" and "we don't want to box ourselves into a corner". Even the delegates from the US had trouble saying this repeatedly with a straight face.

This is pathetic and shameful stance for a nation that was once admired in the world. This is not just a leadership vacuum. It is an instance of "frat-boy" belligerence that is typical of this administration.

Dottore wrote:

"the solitary turd in the punchbowl: the good old US of A."

Hey, don't forget about us! SmileWavy Canada has changed tack and is now siding with our neighbours to the south, we held the conference up too! Damn, we need some more people up here, we're too small, everyone forgets about us...

Not surprising from someone who thinks Che is a hero.

Do you ever bother to think that you would be stripped and possibly be killed then your wealth re-sidtributed by being declared as an enemy of the state if someone like Che had his way? He's a murderer and opposed to personal gain. You from what I can tell are what he would consider a capitalist pig.

Admired by the world? So, it only matters when hostile governments (like France for instance, who is trying to impose a tarriff on USA goods throughout Europe) benefit?

As for this world community nonsense, like I said it's USA is only good when other countries can reap benefit from their money. I for one am glad the USA largely gives the finger to the UN and their so - called world laws and mandates. Without the USA the UN is nothing.

rjp

EDIT: I say we give back the Statue of Liberty, and next time France gets invaded, call the UN instead.

rjp

PS - if anyone else out there wants to complain, you can become a citizen, and actually have a vested interest (read - legitimate right) in whatever the problem may be and vote for change like the rest of us, that's assuming you have something to bring that we can use.

After all, we don't need useless whiners here :) We have plenty enough already.

"a few years from now"? Maybe in a few MILLION years.

Gore is all about making money now.

Nolan Finley has provided us with a nice bit of Faux-News style opinion here, and its just about as sophisticated...

As such, he's fluent in the international language that translates every wrong into an indictment of Americans.

BooHoo. Why won't the world stop picking on us? Waahhh.

Gore's condemnation of his homeys reflects the...

What? Homeys?

That seems a reasonable strategy. Throwing the nation into an economic tailspin to address a situation we don't yet fully understand would be irresponsible.

What don't we understand? That climate change is happening? Economic tailspin? Really, you really don't think we can survive if we have to change the way we operate? You give Americans too little credit sir.

That will trigger the greatest transfer of wealth in modern history, as American jobs rush to places with the least regulatory burdens, and more Americans join the ranks of the world's poor.

I love this sentence. Rush, rush to the unregulated places, catastrophe, Armageddon! We earn more of our wealth off the backs of the unregulated poor than almost anyone and yet our homes are owned by the Chinese, our industries by the Arabs in Dubai...

You can't be a pimp and a prostitute too.

A generation from now, Americans may well look back at Al Gore as the Benedict Arnold of his age, someone so determined to save the earth he was willing to ruin his country.

Leave it to a guy from Detroit (its OK, Im from there) to have no faith in American innovation. Anyone who thinks we won't innovate our way out of climate restrictions is selling us short and giving us too little credit. India and China are not innovators, they are laborers. If we want them to pipe down on their emissions, maybe we could start by not giving them so much of our business and find better, cheaper, and more efficient ways to do it on our own soil. How about instead of pointing the finger we try to clean up our own side of the street first. You can do it America, I believe in you.

QUOTE: "I expect that a few years from now, when floods and droughts are commonplace, and you can't tell one season from another anymore, you'll still be here, muttering something about "flawed science"."

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Care to put money where your environmental mouth is?

I'll even let YOU set the rules. YOU pick the year. YOU choose the areas, coastlines, countries where flooding will occur. You can set the amount of the 'wager'.

We will send the money to Wayne to hold in escrow.

And geez .. I REALLY need you to give me a heads up on any pending tornado's here in Missouri!

Thanks in advance for that!

"Gore is all about making money now."

This is a typically myopic view of the man. AG has the opportunity to make a lot more money serving his own interests than he does serving others. AND without all of the public stone throwing.

His own interests being seen a spokesperson and resident "expert" of one of the hot topics of the 21st century - global warming. The beneficiary of all his endorsements being the Democratic Party, of course.

rjp

How is he (AG) serving others?

I don't believe it's about money for Algore, he just wants to matter. Remember he went into deep depression and gained like 80 lbs after he lost to Bush. The guys not all there.

I think the problem is that too many have bought into the claim that WE have caused global warming. I would agree that it's occuring, but WE have little or nothing to do with it. All this carbon emissions crap is pure crap. The single biggest greenhouse gas is...guess.....water vapor. H2O. Perhaps we should ban that too? Heck, Venus, Mars, and Jupiter are all warming along with us. How will Al Gore stop that?

oh, and the Sun is getting hotter as well.. Concidence? Probably not.

Here's the problem!

We need to get rid of this scourge soon!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1198010474.jpg

Che is my hero? You're kiddding right?

As for the rest of your post - you live in a global community. That may not be something of which you are aware - but you really should pull your head out of your bum once in a while and think about this.

You are aware that the US rejected Kyoto while Bush was governor of Texas, n'est-ce pas?

1) no, one would think by having his picture as an avatar would be as a sign of tribute.

2)no, since I'm the one paying for your benefit through taxes. The moment I get something from you in return, I'll think about it. In the meanwhile, please keep your laws to yourself.

rjp

Better yet, John Kerry was our delegate to the Kyoto Conference and when he got home, the Senate voted 98-0 to not ratify it and this was even before Clinton had thought about submitting it for ratification. Bush couldn't have gotten Kyoto ratified even back when he had political capital.

That's me on Halloween. My wife went as Margaret Thatcher.

I wouldn't draw too many conclusions about people's avatars. Especially not on this board.

[QUOTE=lendaddy;3653144]Remember he went into deep depression and gained like 80 lbs after he lost to Bush.QUOTE]

Didn't more people vote for Gore than Bush?

water vapor is self limiting
thats called RAIN :rolleyes:

co2 % CAN AND HAS , BUILT UP AND UP over time
with no rain like way to bring it down quickly
co2 cycle time is about 500 years

both solar out put and other planets temps are newish data
blaming the sun is not a good answer
as even if true co2 adds to the effect
so co2 limits will help lessen the total rize in temps
even if co2 is not the sole cause
complex problems donot have simple eazy answers
but do NOTHING never is the best idea

SmileWavy

It's Bush's fault.

"Since the beginning of time, Man has yearned to destroy the sun!"

C. Montgomery Burns

http://www.slackerastronomy.org/images/simpsons-sun.png

I've read that CO2 emissions are higher from many German cars than Japanese or others. I guess people don't understand what that means. CO2 is the ultimate end product of combustion, that and H20. If your not producing CO2, your producing CO. The more CO2 you emit, the cleaner burning is your engine.

Wrong wrong wrong. Did you not read the previous posts? If the data is correct- the US is LEADING the world in the reduction of greenhouse gases. We don't need to sign BS contracts with corrupt countries which may in fact impact our economy in a negative fashion- we're already leaders, leading by example.

"A few years from now" we're going to be experiencing the same ol' same 'ol, not the catastrophes you predict (any more than usual anyways).

I'll keep it simple- one does not measure the Earth in years, decades, nor centuries. The cycles of the Earth and climate have always been, and will always be measured in the thousands or millions of years. Call me then and we'll talk about it. Until then it's empty talk, a ploy to redistribute the planet's wealth, and a political platform.

Don't be a sheep.

And this whole time I was under the impression it was just your Anti American side flapping in the wind...

Forgive me, not that anyone would make that mistake :rolleyes:

rjp

EDIT: are you sure it just wasn't a tradition from college that you just NOW figured out? Be honest here, we're friends...

Yes, Che was an *********..

rjp

Great post! Sums it up perfectly. Thanks.

What a load of crap. This whole "global community" thing I find most often spouted by people who are adamantly anti-U.S.. Coincidence? I think not. This is really just an excuse to bludgeon the U.S. and its economy to death as a kind of sick revenge. What these people really want to turn control of the U.S. economy (regulated through CO2 emissions) over to the U.N.

You are wasting your time on this America hater:mad:
He never misses a chance to bash this great counry or our President:mad:
But he sre can't stayy awayfrom his fie Americanr site or o of our country can he. Go back and ask coastal Texans who are over 100 about storms & floods that hit.

Or I guess man cause Pompi to errupt too, or the other planets in this solar system to warm up:rolleyes: