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Originally Posted by sammyg2
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It really doesn't matter how my post came across,.
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Actually, it DOES matter how your post "came off" unless of course you're only here to insult people? Or you don't mind being taken as being as rude (in a different way of course) as these same people you are so p!ssed off about?
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Originally Posted by sammyg2
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...every single time the subject of illegal immigration is mentioned the same two or three show up and somehow figure out a way to take the counter-point.
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Actually, the subject of illegal immigration didn't "come up"...YOU brought it up by assuming; perhaps correctly, that these people MUST be illegal because they were thoughtless and damaged your property. You added one plus one and came up with five? If you re-read my response to your post I admitted they probably ARE illegal, but my point is you don't know, you just make the assumption. To you that is a "natural" assumption and anyone who doesn't see it your way is an apologist for illegal immigration - which I have NEVER said. But in fact I gave you a good example of how it may not be true...but you ignored that and indicted the few who don't agree with your assumption.
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Originally Posted by sammyg2
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What took you guys so long? ;) if nothing else you are predictable.
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Actually, I'd say your connection of thoughtless behavior, ill-at-ease-manner & poverty with their immigration status qualifies for your, "if nothing else you are predictable" comment too.
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Originally Posted by sammyg2
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Was their lack of respect for my property ethnic? Probably not. Was it cultural? Maybe, if they are used to living in an environment where shubbery or a nicely manicured yard is of no consequence..
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So, you're saying what? They're hispanic, they're ill at eased in your neighborhood because they don't speak your language so...they MUST live in an environment where there is no "nice shrubbery or a nicely manicured yard"? Or is that only if they are illegal they don't live in a place that has a manicured yard?
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Originally Posted by sammyg2
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Was it simply due to a lack of personal character? Well after all they are criminals ........ .
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Hmmm...interesting. Do you ever speed in that Porsche? Have you ever "fudged" on your income taxes? Aw c'mon, you're white, you're somewhat affluent if you own a 911 hence you must cheat on your taxes...(same ridiculous logic) so you must have "a lack of personal character" because you are a "criminal" too? Doesn't feel so great on the receiving end? I wonder if you are even capable of seeing it in the reverse?
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Originally Posted by sammyg2
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BTW, those of you who want to say they weren't illegal. come on now. I'm not stupid and this is southern california.
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Just curious, do you assume anyone you see that is brown, is wearing clothing you don't think is very nice, drives an old car and doesn't speak English well or is ill at ease around you must be illegal? I ask because my father worked construction his entire life and wore the kind of clothes construction workers wear. He was deeply tanned from all the time in the sun and drove a pickup truck and hey, "you're not stupid and this is Southern California" so...he MUST have been illegal? He spoke fluent Spanish AND English, but he certainly looked the part of an illegal.
These people spoke less english than i speak spanish. They did not fit in, they were not comfortable, there were plenty of signs, It was obvious.
The way they acted, the way they dressed, they car they drove...[/QUOTE]
I agree on what the odds are, I really do. Its the automatic assumption that bothers me. The superioity in your post that bugs me. For the record, I am against illegal immigration, I just have a little human empathy.