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Facts? Here? on PPOT?

NEVER!!!!

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3720798)

He didn't? ...not even the ones that we gave him? What about those he used for genocide of those to his north? ..Or was that all faked, like the moon landing and 9/11?

So why does Team Bush and every other recognized group in the world now say that there were no WMD's in Iraq after we invaded?

Or does saying dumb ***** like the moon landing and 9/11 was faked make that little detail of no WMD's in Iraq go away? But nice try at a strawman argument. Dummy!

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3720809)

Hey tabs, is a "fuze" anything like a fuse???

Not unless the present competition gets a whole lot tougher. Or do you really think that 3 stupid opinions (including your own) is somehow better than one?

The one thing that might make your opinion carry a tad more weight is if you actually first listed it and then some facts to back it up. So far, no luck I see.;)

First of all I have to take you seriously.

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3720810)

Who let the old kid in the room? Jack Benny has been dead for a long time now.

Yeah, but very often the "old" kids have more common sense than a boatload of biased Bush supporters who seem intent on riding a dead horse all the way to the gates of hell.:eek:

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3720827)

Yeah, but very often the "old" kids have more common sense than a boatload of biased Bush supporters who seem intent on riding a dead horse all the way to the gates of hell.:eek:

Geezus WI..U took the very words outa my mouth.

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3720823)

First of all I have to take you seriously.

Yeah, I had six kids and I heard that often. Especially when they flunked a test or totally fuked up! And your age would be..................

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3720829)

Geezus WI..U took the very words outa my mouth.

Gosh, I've just figured out your problem tabs. You have so many words taken right out of your very mouth that it procludes (sp) you from saying anything!;)

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3720821)

Ah, so NOW you change your story . .. now it's "no WMD's in Iraq after we invaded."

Well, we certainly did give Hussein enough time to move them. ...is that what you are now saying? "Dummy!" :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jluetjen (Post 3720893)

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Naw its more like two guys having a sword fight who have pen knives

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3720879)

Well gosh, why didn't Team Bush think of the "semantic" defense for their fuked reasons for invading Iraq!

You guys are truly incredible sometimes. Hey, what about that connection between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11....are you also one of the 7 last people in America who still believe that one also?

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3720919)

Naw its more like two guys having a sword fight who have pen knives

Nah, I like to think of it as one guy (island) going to gun fight with a dull knife and wondering why he's getting his ass kicked!

Oh WI, you are so handy with that spork. . .. a dork with a spork. ooooh, quiver.

I wait for your "rubber glue" defense. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3720932)

Nah, I like to think of it as one guy (island) going to gun fight with a dull knife and wondering why he's getting his ass kicked!

Are you living in Sweden by any chanch? Or is WI that remote of an outpost on planet earth?

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3720960)

Oh WI, you are so handy with that spork. . .. a dork with a spork. ooooh, quiver.

I wait for your "rubber glue" defense. :rolleyes:

Gee, I dunno...did it feel more like a spork or a spear to you?

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3720823)

First of all I have to take you [WI] seriously.

Geezus tabs..U took the very words outa my mouth.

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Originally Posted by Rearden (Post 3720394)

I highly doubt he knows enough facts with which to play fast and loose. He's one of the guys here who has a nice narrative in his head and, when necessary, makes up the "facts" to support it.

Oh yea, and Bush lied and people died.

Gee, your timing on crying about people saying "...Bush lied..." is exquisite.

Per an article by Gil Kaufman that was on the front page of Yahoo this morning, Bush actually lied 935 times prior to our invasion of Iraq! :eek:

"Of the 935 false statements made by the administration, according to the study, Bush was reported to have led all White House officials with 259 false statements, which included 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al Qaeda. Second on the list was Powell with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaeda."

So I guess this means that you were correct about "oh yea, Bush lied and people died." Congrats.;)

Here's the link: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1580119/20080123/index.jhtml?rsspartner=rssYahooNewscrawler

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Originally Posted by jluetjen (Post 3720336)

As opposed to...

(Sigh) Always fast and loose with the facts in order to stretch your point. :rolleyes:

Debt is a time-honored method to finance wars. It even predates the US.
- France was deeply in debt after the 7-year war (Described by Winston Churchill as "The first global war"), which contributed to the French Revolution.
- in 1523, in order to raise money, François I established a government bond system in Paris, the "rentes sur l'Hôtel de Ville" to help pay for the wars with Italy. From 1683 through to 1715 the French national debt increased from 16 million livres to 1,1 trillion livres in order to finance the wars of that time (and other things).

Of course, the other popular method of financing wars is to print money. A brief study of economics would reveal that both methods are essentially the same thing, executed differently.

Just for the record, per The US History Encyclopedia:

"One of the first financial matters facing the new national government in 1789 was what to do about the debts that the Continental Congress and the several states had incurred. Although government officials agreed that the foreign debt, amounting to approximately $11,710,000, should be paid, they debated whether to assume the domestic debts of the Continental Congress and the states."

Note that $11.7 million figure included the debts of the states and it still is not even close to the $75+ million you listed. Maybe you need to do a little more DD before quoting goofy ***** (probably Wikipedia or some such nonsense) and then spouting off and using obviously flawed figures.

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3722645)

Just for the record, per The US History Encyclopedia:

"One of the first financial matters facing the new national government in 1789 was what to do about the debts that the Continental Congress and the several states had incurred. Although government officials agreed that the foreign debt, amounting to approximately $11,710,000, should be paid, they debated whether to assume the domestic debts of the Continental Congress and the states."

Note that $11.7 million figure included the debts of the states and it still is not even close to the $75+ million you listed. Maybe you need to do a little more DD before quoting goofy ***** (probably Wikipedia or some such nonsense) and then spouting off and using obviously flawed figures.

Operative word in your post was foreign. I wasn't segregating foreign debt from domestic. I am impressed that you took the time to look it up though.

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The national debt after the American Revolution fell into three categories. The first was the $11 million owed to foreigners —mostly debts to France during the American Revolution. The second and third—roughly $24 million each—were debts owed by the national and state governments to Americans who had sold food, horses and supplies to the revolutionary forces. Congress agreed that the power and the authority of the new government would pay for the foreign debts. There were also other debts that consisted of promissory notes issued during the Revolutionary War to soldiers, merchants, and farmers who accepted these payments on the premise that the new Constitution would create a government that would pay these debts eventually. The war expenses of the individual states added up to $114,000,000, compared to $37 million by the central government[44]. In 1790, Congress combined the state debts with the foreign and domestic debts into one national debt totaling $80 million. Everyone received face value for wartime certificates, so that the national honor would be sustained and the national credit established.

Wikipedia footnotes on my earlier quote point to the US Treasury department for the source of these numbers, but the links are now dead. The footnote [44] points to " Jensen, The New Nation (1950) p 379"