Who will pay for the sin of murdering the unborn?

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by SLO-BOB

Just stay the hell away from those big eggs!

Bet she has big eggs...

[70SATMan]

crap..double post...

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

That's the Library of Congress you douche.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh crap that's funny.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

At its very simplest level, the fact remains that abortion ends a life that has started. There is no other reason, no other motivation behind abortion - the stated intent is to end a life that, if not tampered with, would see itself through to fruition.

So do some forms of birth control. For or against?

So does capitol punishment end a life. For or against?

if not tampered with, would see itself through to fruition

Overly simplistic, there are no guarantees. I have not read one pro-life advocate here that has had the courage to say that they are against ALL forms of abortion. I'm waiting though...

The fact is that barring sterilization, unwanted pregnancies ARE going to happen. To the irresponsible, the responsible, the wealthy and the poor. A woman who abstains can be raped. What's more damaging to the woman emotionally? Having an abortion or putting their child up for adoption? What if the woman can not afford the proper pre-natal care, let alone afford raising the child?

The wealthy will always have the means to take care of a problem if needed whether abortion is legal or not. You all know who will suffer the most but, I don't hear a shred of compassion for them.

[RWebb]

"if not tampered with, would see itself through to fruition"

- Not even accurate. Most abortions are spontaneous. Often the woman doesn't even realize she is pregnant -- just feels sick one day.

[RWebb]

Oh - Jeff H. -- I assume you are a vegan?? And even if you are, when you eat an onion or a fruit, etc. you are still ENDING A LIFE.

Stick to just a few leaves off of a plant that is not harvested. Then you will not be ending a life.

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by RWebb

- Not even accurate. Most abortions are spontaneous. Often the woman doesn't even realize she is pregnant -- just feels sick one day.

So you are saying that the body rejecting and someone deciding are the same?

When you say "most", what is that based on?



KT

[SLO-BOB]

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

- My daughter has Down syndrome. I'm very happy that she is in my life, as she is one of the best things (if not *the* best thing) to happen to me ever. -Wayne

Funny how just a few simple words can paint such a large picture.

My respect for you has gone from significant to even more so. You're a good guy Wayne!

[cool_chick]

Cute kids, Wayne.

[SLO-BOB]

Originally Posted by RWebb

"if not tampered with, would see itself through to fruition"

- Not even accurate. Most abortions are spontaneous. Often the woman doesn't even realize she is pregnant -- just feels sick one day.

Would you say it's okay to murder someone because they die in car accidents everyday anyway? Of course not. Just because something happens doesn't mean it's okay to help it along - not that you're necessarily saying that.

[SLO-BOB]

Fwiw - I've never met a woman of substance who hasn't strongly regretted having an abortion. For some, it was the single most troubling thing in their lives causing them great angst. I've never met a woman who carried a baby full term, who then let the child out for adoption, regret it. Unless of course they wish they kept the baby. Seems a little easier to live with.

[SLO-BOB]

Fast Ray - I'm on the lake between Port Washington and Sheboygan - 30 min north of Milwaukee, 26 minutes from Road America, and 1.5 from Chi-town.

Hey! Where did Doug go??

[Mule]

Interesting research Bob. I cant say that I've met a lot of women who've given up children, at least not that wanted to talk about it.

Wayne, kudos to you & your friend.

[SLO-BOB]

Originally Posted by Mule

Interesting research Bob.

Not so much research as observation. Certainly not quantitative or definitive.

[72doug2,2S]

I applaud the maturity on this board that some members here have shown, especially Wayne.

Someone made the comment the title of this thread is offensive.

I think twenty years ago I would have found the title of this thread offensive, yeah, the one I wrote. 20 years ago all I wanted to do was sew my wild oats and I didn't want to think about anyone but myself. Abortion was one more level of security to my womanizing without responsibilities. For me, the issue of abortion was met with laughter and crude jokes. It never effected me, so why should I care? I guarded myself from the reality of life and death this issue dealt with, and I guarded myself from the fact the world really didn't revolve around me. I was the fool, how can a teenager be so ugly inside?

It took a peer whom I respected to open my eyes that we weren't just talking about a pregnant girl, but the person inside her who would have a name, a social security number, interests and their own dreams, love to share with others, and their own constitutional rights. What a horrific realization. The scale of this is larger than any other atrocity I can think of, including the holocaust and slavery. Is this not offensive to you?

[Mule]

Welcome to America where we are all entitled to our own opinion, and also right to change it. IMH "opinion" I think "who will pay" is strictly a religious point of view & opens a whole can of worms. I think Wayne made more points for the adoption side of the issue than all of the self righteous religious fanatics ever could or will. Talk is cheap. Actions cost a little more.

[dipso]

Am I the only one that sees the irony in my last post.#377

Notice the date, as the anti-choice people are screaming how outlawing abortion will stop the loss of innocent life, this woman is drowning her baby in the bathroom sink.

On the bright side. At least she took matters into her own hands. ddooh.

[Jeff Higgins]

I see once again my statements elicited all kinds of contorted twists of logic and reason in an effort to respond in some way, without really responding at all.

First, is it so remarkable to value a human life over that of other creatures? Most of us do, including myself. Maybe I should have added "human" wherever I said "life", but I thought that was infered from the line of discussion. Actually, I'm rather sure it was. Efforts to extend my position on the value of human life, to stretch it until I'm some kind of vegan (or should be, to have any right to my opinion regarding the sanctity of human life) are patently absurd. I'm no vegan; you all know that. I have killed far more than most on this forum; there was a 20 year stretch where the only meat in my freezer was put there by my own guns. So what? What on Earth does that have to do with aborting a human life?

Equally absurd is the contention that pregnancy does not always result in a child. No kidding; I think we all know that. My own wife suffered two misscarriages before we had our first son. Pregnancy is a very dicey thing, with no guarantees. Again, what on Earth does that have to do with a decision to artificially end one? Those are two entirely different sets of circumstances. Most reasonable people understand that difference. Those that would try to use any similarity between the two to justify the latter are grasping at straws. There is a big difference in letting nature takes her course and interfering for one's own ends.

Lastly, how many times must we answer the capital punishment question? For the record, I am all for it. Not that it has anything to do with abortion; I just wanted to state that for the record (again). It is a very specious argument at best to compare the taking of an unborn child's life to the taking of some heinous criminal's life; one that has undoubtedly caused great suffering to even earn the distinction of being condemned. Maybe, in the spirit of Nostatic's argument, I should suggest that anyone opposed to capital punishment should let one of these pillars of society move in with them, or just STFU about it. But I digress...

Anyway, once again, I find these dissingenious contortions of "reason" amusing, if nothing else. I guess it keeps the pro choice advocates from having to think too deeply about the real topic at hand. Ending a human life, that has already started to develop, is the crux of the issue. No one has the right to do that. Unless, of course, we as a society need to remove a blight upon us that has caused great harm and suffering, usually by way of taking another's life.

[berettafan]

wayne you put a tear in my eye w/ that picture. it does my heart good to read your post.

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by dipso

Am I the only one that sees the irony in my last post.#377

Notice the date, as the anti-choice people are screaming how outlawing abortion will stop the loss of innocent life, this woman is drowning her baby in the bathroom sink.

On the bright side. At least she took matters into her own hands. ddooh.

Dipso in the pro-death camp says these women who commit abortion are murderers and will murder their children even after they are born, so it won't stop the killing.

Did you ever consider that they will not be set free to repeat their heinous acts against the innocent again?