Who will pay for the sin of murdering the unborn?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Because they're letting themselves be brainwashed/led by the people that are. Just the way the religious control freaks would want it.

[Rikao4]

they only bring 'their choice / opinion' to the table,
not their Bible or religion.
Rika

[dipso]

Originally Posted by skipdup

Yes. But people are saying (repeatedly) that this is a religious issue. If so, how can non-religious people be anti-abortion?

Non-religious people don't have an invisible man in the sky judging them. No fear of "H E double hockey sticks" either.
It's called Freedom.

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Religious fanaticism masquerading as secular fanaticism is still religious fanaticism.

Can someone please explain the cryptic messages on my computer?

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Since page 1 where 72Doug brought the word "SIN"
into play.

Reread #153
Reread # 294
Reread # 435

Sin is not used here in a religious way, but as a due penalty for bad choices.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by skipdup

If so, how can non-religious people be anti-abortion?

That comment implies that for you it is a religious issue. Either that or some serious two dimensional thinking.

OMG! How can a non religious person have a similar set of personal mores to a religious person! Inconceivable!

[kstar]

Originally Posted by skipdup

Yes. But people are saying (repeatedly) that this is a religious issue. If so, how can non-religious people be anti-abortion?

Just because it is a religious issue doesn't preclude non-religious folks from being anti-abortion.

It's a religious issue because Doug is framing it in a religious manner.

FWIW.

Best,

Kurt

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

Can someone please explain the cryptic messages on my computer?

Easy, he is saying that you are hiding your true intent.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

due penalty for bad choices.

And that can be construed as a religious concept

[Mule]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

Reread #153
Reread # 294
Reread # 435

Sin is not used here in a religious way, but as a due penalty for bad choices.

Penalty due to who(m)? If Al freakin Gore can get paid for hydrocarbon emissions, then pay me for sin!!!

I'll be posting a menu with an address to send payments to. Unlike Al, I will guarantee that your payment will square things with God.

Coming soon, Mule's Sin Absolvement Center LLC.

[Rearden]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Because they're letting themselves be brainwashed/led by the people that are. Just the way the religious control freaks would want it.

I am an agnostic. No religious people have brainwashed me. I don't have a position on the issue one way or another. It must be extremely difficult emotionally to terminate your own unborn baby. I wouldn't want it to be illegal, I suppose. Having said that, I think Roe v Wade is a ridiculous ruling.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

It's a religious issue because Doug is framing it in a religious manner.

The Christian right and Catholic religious leaders who are so vocal about the subject help with much of the perception that abortion is a religious issue. I know some non-religious people who are against abortion: they fixate more on the murder aspect of a human life than anything related to sin, God or the bible. As well, they're easier to listen to when discussing the subject.

[kstar]

Doug: If you were king for a day, what laws would you create regarding abortion?

It's a simple question.

1) Absolutely no abortions?;

2) Abortions only if the Mother's life was in danger?;

3) Allowed for rape, incest?;

4) ??????.

Curiously,

Kurt

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Because they're letting themselves be brainwashed/led by the people that are. Just the way the religious control freaks would want it.

I'm going to type this slowly,

A-R-E Y-O-U

O-N

M-E-D-I-C-A-T-I-O-N?

[dhoward]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

Can someone please explain the cryptic messages on my computer?

It means:

"YoU caN HAVe LarGEst MemBER Renewal, WiTH repoSED VigOR, TRy OUr VIAGRIa; "

[dhoward]

Originally Posted by dd74

The Christian right and Catholic religious leaders who are so vocal about the subject help with much of the perception that abortion is a religious issue. I know some non-religious people who are against abortion: they fixate more on the murder aspect of a human life than anything related to sin, God or the bible. As well, they're easier to listen to when discussing the subject.

+1

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Doug: If you were king for a day, what laws would you create regarding abortion?

It's a simple question.

1) Absolutely no abortions?;

2) Abortions only if the Mother's life was in danger?;

3) Allowed for rape, incest?;

4) ??????.

Curiously,

Kurt

Kurt, my thinking on the matter is I will support any abortion that allows the life of the child to develop fully to the age when he or she can be adopted.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

I going to type this slowly,

A-R-E Y-O-U

O-N

M-E-D-I-C-A-T-I-O-N?

P-O-P is taking his anti-delusion meds again!

Best,

Kurt

[stealthn]

Humans are infallible, the real question is way does God kill children - Still born, Miscarriages?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Just wanted to remove all the white noise.

Lets not be hypocritical here. If you were really interested in letting nature take her course you would be against all forms of birth control but, I rather doubt that you are. I'm really sorry to hear of your wife's miscarriages, I know what that's like. My wife and I interfered with nature for our own ends to insure my first daughter was born. I'm OK with that. I wonder if you and your wife did the same? Most everything a human being does is for his or her own ends if you look at the big picture.

Would you interfere with nature to end your mother's life to save her a long painful death? Would you call that murder?

Making a decision to end a human life has the same result whether by capitol punishment, abortion, murder or sympathetic euthanasia. A living entity dies. You are mearly justifying the differences for your own sanity. Rhetorically, how are you able to play god to determine when a criminal dies but, not a severely deformed fetus?

You didn't mention whether you were against all forms of abortion or not.

Understanding, and dealing with abortion as a stand - alone issue is not hypocrisy. Nothing you mention has one whit to do with abortion. Therefore, the decisions I would make under any of those other conditions do not have anything to do with my stance on abortion. Not a thing.

I wonder why the pro choice crowd is so wholy unable to stay on topic. Further, I wonder why they feel the need to paint us as such monsters with their wild assumptions and leaps of logic. It clearly makes them feel better regarding their own stance, and their own choices, to make the "other side" appear at least, if not more, monstrous than themselves. "My God; they want to save the lives of unborn children... what monsters!"

Let me see if I have this straight. Because I believe in the sanctity of human life, and value it above anything else, I feel no one has the right to end a life once it has begun (with the one caveat I mentioned earlier). So, therefore, I must also want to:

Dominate and oppress women; keeping them barefoot, pregnant, out of the workfoce, and remove their suffrage.

Turn the United States into some radical theocracy, with Sharia law (or some Christian equivelent) ruling the nation.

See millions of unwanted children starving and suffering just so I can be "right".

Play God, invoking my will and influence in every aspect of others' lives.

And the most outlandish claim of all - "...they don't really care about the children at all; it's all about control and domination..."

Of course most reasonably clear thinking people know better; what I find a little bit disturbing is that there are apparently some folks who do not. They actually believe this tripe, and pass it around amongst themselves (no doubt accompanied by knowing nods of affirmation and approval). These people need to get out more; they need to broaden their circles a bit beyond the close-minded nit-wits with whom they surround themselves.

Oh well; I just can't see that happening with this lot. It is far more gratifying to them to immerse themselves in a like minded "intellectual" pool that continually reafirms their own "enlightenment". Of course from the outside looking in they are anything but, but running in such circles seems to meet their needs. Every now and then we get to see one poke his head out (like Jeff) and attempt to humbly portray their higher than average level of "enightenment". It's all pretty amusing on most topics, I guess. When they feel they have the right (gained through their self-proclaimed "enlightenment") to end the developing lives of unborn children, then it's a little less amusing.