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Panavia Tornado. I believe it is actually another one of those collaborative companies like Airbus.
designed for very low level ground attack missions, such as airfield denial via cratering
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my guess is that the variable wings help with dealing with ground effects
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engine failed, coming in dead stick he said he tried following the rows but couldn't. This was one of three or four cropduster crashes he walked away from.

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designed for very low level ground attack missions, such as airfield denial via cratering
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my guess is that the variable wings help with dealing with ground effects
Ground effects start at most a wingspan above ground from what I understand. It is pretty tough to do that kind of hedge hopping at 500mph or more. I suspect it is for the same reasons the F14 had the swing wings- it reduces stall speed and allows better dogfighting amongst other things.
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Ground effects start at most a wingspan above ground from what I understand. It is pretty tough to do that kind of hedge hopping at 500mph or more. ....
and that is why the have a special terrain following radar
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and that is why the have a special terrain following radar
first off, for both of you guys, it's "ground effect" ...not plural. secondly, that airplane is not flying that fast while in ground effect. ground effect on a jet like that would be around the 20-30 ft AGL range. forward looking radar for that? nah....

the reason for a swept wing is simple. better manueverability while subsonic, higher cruising speed while sonic. the best of both worlds.


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first off, for both of you guys, it's "ground effect" ...not plural. secondly, that airplane is not flying that fast while in ground effect. ground effect on a jet like that would be around the 20-30 ft AGL range. forward looking radar for that? nah....

the reason for a swept wing is simple. better manueverability while subsonic, higher cruising speed while sonic. the best of both worlds.


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One of the modes on the TFR provides 50ft clearance to ground...at speeds into the 600kts and beyond range. That Tonka is neither that low or that fast.. however the RAF certainly did train that way....

In the case of the Tornado the swing wing was to allow this low alt/ high speed performance and a smooth ride... with good low speed for landing.

The F3 version (pictured) was an interceptor version, with poor (relatively) dogfighting performance and marginal high alt ability... certainly an F4 was a 'better' fighter in that regard, with the F16/15 several orders more able.
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