You guys catch Hildabeast's econ. speech today?
 

I saw some of this on CNN, but just read this a few min. ago. Unreal. How can anyone believe a single word this commie says? How can anyone think businesses won't pass along to consumers the costs of increased gov't. regulation?

Clinton pits herself against business
By: Mike Allen
February 14, 2008 04:01 PM EST

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) trashed an array of corporate interests in an economic speech in Ohio Thursday, vowing that as president she would go after oil, credit-card, insurance, pharmaceutical, investment and loan firms.

Delivering a major economic address ahead of the Buckeye State’s crucial March 4 primary, Clinton also slammed Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) as a lightweight, declaring: “My opponent gives speeches, I offer solutions.”

“My opponent says that he’ll take on the special interests,” she said in her prepared remarks. “Well, he told people he stood up to the nuclear industry and passed a bill against them. But he actually let the nuclear industry water down his bill — the bill never actually passed.”

Clinton has put a new emphasis on populism as she attempts to recover from a string of eight consecutive losses to Obama, and she continues to court the endorsement of former opponent John Edwards.

Earlier in the race, Clinton defended her relationships with business lobbyists, telling a blogger convention this summer that many of them “represent real Americans.”

But she took a very different stance today as she delivered as she delivered a “Solutions for the American Economy” address to General Motors employees in Warren, Ohio.

“Today, I’m announcing an agenda to reign in the special interests and save the American people at least $55 billion a year,” Clinton said. “Money that can go back into your pockets. Money we can use to create new jobs, rebuild our infrastructure, make college affordable and so much more.”

In another swipe at Obama, she said: “In the end, it comes down to just one question: When the bright lights are off and the speeches are over, who can you count on to listen to you, to stand up for you, to deliver solutions for you?”

Clinton also said she measures her life “not by applause or headlines — but by whether I’m helping people.”

Here’s what Clinton said about each of the industries she vowed to rein in:

— “We’ll take on the oil companies and harness their record profits to create millions of clean energy jobs — high-wage jobs you can raise a family on. I’ll end their special tax breaks and give them a choice: invest some of your profits in alternative energy, or we’ll do it for you. People have been paying through the roof at the pump, and it’s time the companies paid their fair share.”

— “We’ll take on the credit card companies so that you and your families aren’t drowning in debt. Here in Ohio, payday lenders are actually taking Social Security checks from our elderly. That’s outrageous. I’ve proposed real consumer protections against abusive interest rates — capping them at no more than 30 percent and working to get them far lower. And I’ll ban those hidden fees and sudden rate hikes, because credit card companies shouldn’t be able to bait and switch you and your family.”

— “We’ll take on the insurance companies and tell them they can no longer discriminate against the sickest people who need care the most. They spend more than $50 billion a year trying to figure out how not to cover people. Well, I’m going to save them a fortune and a whole lot of time, because here’s the new policy: No more discrimination period. So even if you have a pre-existing condition, you can get the health insurance you need — no questions asked.”

— “And I’ll go after drug companies and insurance companies that are overcharging consumers and the government — it’s time to end their profiteering at our expense.

— “We’ll take on Wall Street and tell them: you’re going to finally pay your fair share in taxes. Because it’s outrageous that a teacher making $50,000 pays a higher tax rate than some Wall Street investment managers making $50 million. And I’ll create a bipartisan Corporate Waste Commission to review all those corporate subsidies — and propose a comprehensive way to end them. We can save billions of dollars a year and put it to work for you.

— “We’ll take on the student loan companies and tell them no more ripping off our sons and daughters. I’m proposing a Student Borrower Bill of Rights — no more deceptive advertising and outrageous fees. And we’ll end the inefficient subsidies for private student loan companies. Because we should be making it easier for our kids to go to college — not harder.”

Looks like Hillbillaries plan is the next best thing to communism...

OMG that rhetoric is so full of the usual pandering that she loses the right to accuse anyone else of catering to the special interests.

"Profiteering at the expense of consumers"? WTF? What business doesn't profit at the expense of the consumer?

Lobbyists represent real Americans? puhleeze!

She's going to go after the oil companies? Riiiight.

And she's says 30% is an acceptable cap on credit cards.

Well at least she's telling us what she's going to do:rolleyes:

That is kind of funny... Her accusing others of catering to special interests?

And there's a high fly ball way out to right field, and it's going, going gone!!

I always like hearing about "oil company profits". Who does she/they think those profits go to? Shareholders, which are union pension plans, company employees, etc...

You would think profits are a bad thing.:rolleyes:

I found out where this speech was being kept, in the closet reserved for the Thomas Jefferson desk and the White House phones.

C*NT.

And not a word about Tort Reform. Our Tort system is a joke. We are owned by lawyers.

This country is going to hell in a handbasket

If I hated Hilary before, it is unfathomable how much I detest her now

Profiteering: making EXCESSIVE profits on items in short supply

She'll say whatever she needs to in order to win, unfortunately, her supporters are gullible enough to believe her.

Happy Valentine's Day Hillary, go **** yourself! :D

Who determines "excessive"?

If your Committee determines that ExxonMobil's 9-10% profit margin is "excessive", then they will have a lot of plundering to do.

Aye...there's the rub. While I am a free marketeer, it does make me a little queazy when their net profits are up 75% and gross revenues are only up 32%. Something just don't quite pass the smell test.:(

Economies of scale maybe? Yeah, right.

You are still talking about Q3 2005? If those figures you cite are true, ExxonMobile's results in that previous financial period were horrible.

The oil companies have what I "want" so I have to pay their price. I survive by cutting back,economizing.

The pharma companies have what I "need" so I have to pay their price as well. I survive by cutting back and economizing even more.

Profiteering you say? OK maybe but my point is that Hillary has no right to throw such stones.

+1!

Tell the people big enough lies, often enough... And they will believe!
Where did I first hear that? :eek:

Washington State's former insurance commissioner, Debra Senn, had similar requirements for health insurance companies.

The result?

Several companies no longer do business in Washington State. Pulled out completely, because it was impossible to remain profitable. People with no insurance would apply when they needed to see a doctor, then cancel their new policy after their appointment/treatment.

There are more uninsured people today, and fewer choices for those still insured. While having nothing but good intentions, the requirements were not thought through. A miserable failure.

Oh, I agree. And to get away from Clinton, your pharmacy example is apropros. Explain to me why a brand name drug I used to take cost me $165/month since I paid cash out of my HSA. However, if I had an insurance card for meds, my insurance company would only pay about $70 or so. Guess their money is worth more than mine.

But it gets better. The same name brand drug is available from the same company in Canada for about $75 a month. Hmmmmm.

It gets even better. There is a generic equivqlent in Canada for about $45 a month. However in the good ol' US of A the generic won't be available for another 8 years or so. Guess why? Because our government has banned the generic here at the behest of pharmaceutical company. To recoup their R&D costs, I suppose.

And Bush and Clinton, and republicans and democrats keep taking money from pharmaceutical companies.

What a country.....

The reduced payment the insurance company makes on the meds might be due to the same process by which ER visits cost less for the insurance company versus what an uninsured person pays. IE the volume discount?

As for Canada I know, well at least I'm fairly sure that the Canadian government negotiates drug prices.

And I doubt that either party or any candidate has the answer to these questions.

Well, this "commie" [hello? this is 2008...not 1958!] didn't kill close to 4000 US soldiers in a worthless war waged for no other reason than that the leader of the country in question threatened his daddy.

And said "proletarian" [go look that one up; I'm certain you don't know what that means!!] didn't institute the largest federal government department of all time, the Department of Homeland Security, or the most heinous and stupid of all time...the Transportation Security Agency.

And then there is...heh heh! That little tiny CONSERVATIVE budget deficit. First of all, we've spent close to $1 Trillion because our CONSERVATIVE "president" felt that his daddy was threatened. Second of all, we've spent a lot of money on a war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, which is money well spent in my opinion. But...where is Osama Bin Laden tonight? Hello? Is he in Orlando, eating at Kobe Japanese Restaurant after a day at SeaWorld? Probably! We have spent most of our resources fighting a stupid war for no reason while the real devil was laughing at us and probably riding Space Mountain.

-All because a bunch of fundamentalist christian MORONS from Texas who were available to the lobbyist with the largest bank account were elected in 2000.

The last Democrat elected President not only produced a budget surplus...but was impeached, though not convicted. His crime:

A blowjob....

:rolleyes:

Hello? Anyone home?

N!

And Martha Stewart went to jail for buying and selling stocks.

Are you really that oblivious?
Or just trying to be cute on Valentines Day?

[QUOTE=Rick Lee;3768621]I saw some of this on CNN, but just read this a few min. ago. Unreal. How can anyone believe a single word this commie says? How can anyone think businesses won't pass along to consumers the costs of increased gov't. regulation?

First of all, I could never vote for Hillary clinton. I simply do not believe her and I think that she is an opportunistic consumate politician.

But Rick, you called Hil a "commie" and listed her proposals. Please go thru the ones below that you posted and tell us what is wrong with the idea and why all of them would necessarily pass along costs to the consumer. Seems to me that there are some very good ideas in there...but the fact of the matter is that they will never come to pass. Here they are:

“We’ll take on the oil companies and harness their record profits to create millions of clean energy jobs — high-wage jobs you can raise a family on. I’ll end their special tax breaks and give them a choice: invest some of your profits in alternative energy, or we’ll do it for you. People have been paying through the roof at the pump, and it’s time the companies paid their fair share.”

“We’ll take on the credit card companies so that you and your families aren’t drowning in debt. Here in Ohio, payday lenders are actually taking Social Security checks from our elderly. That’s outrageous. I’ve proposed real consumer protections against abusive interest rates — capping them at no more than 30 percent and working to get them far lower. And I’ll ban those hidden fees and sudden rate hikes, because credit card companies shouldn’t be able to bait and switch you and your family.”

“We’ll take on the insurance companies and tell them they can no longer discriminate against the sickest people who need care the most. They spend more than $50 billion a year trying to figure out how not to cover people. Well, I’m going to save them a fortune and a whole lot of time, because here’s the new policy: No more discrimination period. So even if you have a pre-existing condition, you can get the health insurance you need — no questions asked.”

“And I’ll go after drug companies and insurance companies that are overcharging consumers and the government — it’s time to end their profiteering at our expense.

“We’ll take on Wall Street and tell them: you’re going to finally pay your fair share in taxes. Because it’s outrageous that a teacher making $50,000 pays a higher tax rate than some Wall Street investment managers making $50 million. And I’ll create a bipartisan Corporate Waste Commission to review all those corporate subsidies — and propose a comprehensive way to end them. We can save billions of dollars a year and put it to work for you.

“We’ll take on the student loan companies and tell them no more ripping off our sons and daughters. I’m proposing a Student Borrower Bill of Rights — no more deceptive advertising and outrageous fees. And we’ll end the inefficient subsidies for private student loan companies. Because we should be making it easier for our kids to go to college — not harder.”

I think you meant to post this in some other thread since it has nothing to do with Hildabeast's speech today.

[QUOTE=WI wide body;3769326] I don't know how to do multiple quote posts. What do you think she means when she says "We'll take on xxxx"? My guess is she means increased regulation. When has that ever made something cheaper or more abundant? She wants to nationalize the largest industry in our economy. She wants to cap profits. She wants to cap interest rates. She wants to rewrite existing contracts between homeowners and mortgage companies. I can't think of a better recipe for disaster. I wouldn't hesitate to go offshore if I owned a business she had her sights on. I wouldn't cut my profit margin because she didn't approve of it. I'd pass the new taxes and reg. costs along to consumers. Nationalizing industry and capping profits sounds a lot like communism to me. She wants us all to be equally poor and that's the most communism was ever able to accomplish where it existed.

Are you saying Hillary did not vote yes on the Joint Resolution to go to Iraq? Did they record the vote incorrectly?

Some of the biggest investors in alternative energy are oil companies...apparently Hillary feels government jobs/personnel are more efficient that private ones.

Tell us how you really feel Normy!

Wasn't the Wanker who couldn't keep it in his pants impeached for lies told while under oath? Since when is getting a BJ a crime? I know it's the Liberal way to minimize the crime, and blame everyone else... I'm not buying into the poor me victim C-wrap for one second.

I'm sure that if a Democrat is elected in office, and we go further into recession, it will all be Bush's and the Republican Party's fault... Yet you want Slick Willy to get all the credit for a budget surplus, due to a good economy that was created by the previous 12 years of Republican rule?? Time to get a refill on that pink kool-aide they've been serving at the Hillbillary Campaign fund raisers! :D

She actually sounds more fascist than communist. Fascists don't seek government ownership of production, just government control of how private businesses are run -- with restrictions on profit-making, progressive taxation, "industrial policy", etc.

Does it scare anyone else that normy flies airplanes for a living:eek:
Couldn't be that the reason that they are drowning in debt because they are spending more money than they earn, and a good bet it is on things they really don't need:rolleyes:


Like Flint said, they are investing, and if the **** really wanted to do something about profiteering she would cut the taxes that the gubmit gets of each gallon, the oil companies earn pennies on the dollar per gallon, yet they took the risk, and invested, but the government siezes quarters on the dollar per gallon. Too bad liberals don't understand that the more you sell, the more you earn and with China in play, the OCs will earn more money. If the OCs have so much money, what would sop them from just shutting down all their US sales & busineses here?? She & the other liberal start ******* with them, plenty of other markets will support them and if what the media says is true, they all could shut down, & retire and tell everyone to Fuch off, I know that I would:mad:

I'm sure that research and all the testing has nothing to do with the cost of drugs, and going through all the government regulations don't ad to the cost either, nore do the law suits from people who didn't follow the directions on the drugs or just abused them, no, that couldn't help run up the cost.

You know some liberals don't know that lying under oath, or lying in general is wrong, and some are too dumb to know what President Clinton was impeached for, and that he was being investigated for Sexual Harassment :eek:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203052222.jpg

Let me paraphrase Hil's speech to the GM factory workers:

"You stupid SOBs, you f-ed up bigtime. You maxed out your credit cards, can't afford your mortgage, walk to work because you can't buy gas, and won't be able to afford insurance when GM fires you. But don't worry, it's not your fault. Mommy's going to make it all better. Now come over here and suckle on my teet."

Step 1: Name a productive group in society as "the enemy". Blame them for everything wrong with society.

Step 2: Stir up public opinion against "the enemy".

Step 3: Seize the assets of "the enemy" in the name of the common good.

Step 5: Name a group external to society as "the new enemy"...

Well said. It's like she read Atlas Shrugged and, unlike everybody else, found Mr Thompson to be the hero.