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Mule 02-19-2008 08:47 PM

Calling All Commies
 
On his way to the big dirt nap & eternity smoking Satan's corona gorda in hell, that murderous b@stard & hero to lefties everywhere, Fidel Castro, stepped down today. He turned power over to his murderous b@stard brother, who is sure to continue the misery instituted by Fidel. Hollywood is said to be planning the party of the century for his retirement. Maybe Dottore can dig up Che's corpse & go as his date.SmileWavy

Hugh R 02-19-2008 08:54 PM

I personally think we should have gotten over the cuban embargo decades ago. I mean we got on with Viet Nam, China and the Ruskies, why not Cuba? Answer, the flipped us the finger and got away with it in our shadow. Looking back on history, if a country like Cuba wants to be communal/communist, and a dictatorship, why the fu(k should we care? Similarly, if Hugo Chavez wants to create great social programs for his countrymen and sell us his national resources, which are a one time deal, to pay for his great social experiments, why shouldn't we take him up on the opportunity to plunder his national resources at the long term detriment of his countrymen? Same thing with the Arabs, why not use up their oil first?

WI wide body 02-19-2008 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 3779709)
I personally think we should have gotten over the cuban embargo decades ago. I mean we got on with Viet Nam, China and the Ruskies, why not Cuba? Answer, the flipped us the finger and got away with it in our shadow. Looking back on history, if a country like Cuba wants to be communal/communist, and a dictatorship, why the fu(k should we care? Similarly, if Hugo Chavez wants to create great social programs for his countrymen and sell us his national resources, which are a one time deal, to pay for his great social experiments, why shouldn't we take him up on the opportunity to plunder his national resources at the long term detriment of his countrymen? Same thing with the Arabs, why not use up their oil first?

Hugh, you ask "why" we do those stupid things? Because we have enough idiots who seem incapable of realizing the true nature of the issues. They would rather run their mouths and call names and demonize almost anything that they do not understand. And what they do not understand is legion!

You are exactly correct. Our goofball embargo or whatever the hell it is of
Cuba should have been over about 30 years ago.

Dueller 02-19-2008 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3779740)
Hugh, you ask "why" we do those stupid things? Because we have enough idiots who seem incapable of realizing the true nature of the issues. They would rather run their mouths and call names and demonize almost anything that they do not understand. And what they do not understand is legion!

You are exactly correct. Our goofball embargo or whatever the hell it is of
Cuba should have been over about 30 years ago.


And ya know what? Castro would not have likely survived as long as he did if we lifted it.

stevepaa 02-19-2008 09:49 PM

careful, you will start making too much sense.

the kowtowing done by our politicians to the free cuba folks in Florida has been a disgrace. it has only prolonged Fidel's grip on Cuba

DARISC 02-19-2008 09:59 PM

+1 to all the above!
(Holy farking cow, Mule. Ain't nobody bashin' you on this. You be slippin? :D

dd74 02-19-2008 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dueller (Post 3779779)
And ya know what? Castro would not have likely survived as long as he did if we lifted it.

Damn right! Castro stayed in power because we put him in power via the embargo. If we were the least bit interested economically in Cuba as opposed to playing sandbox politics, this thread would not even exist.

Tobra 02-19-2008 10:41 PM

Maybe not this thread, but there would be another one just like it about some other damn place
Quote:

Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3779740)
Hugh, you ask "why" we do those stupid things? Because we have enough idiots who seem incapable of realizing the true nature of the issues. They would rather run their mouths and call names and demonize almost anything that they do not understand. And what they do not understand is legion!

You are exactly correct. Our goofball embargo or whatever the hell it is of
Cuba should have been over about 30 years ago.

Legion makes plenty of sense to me, and I agree with him a lot more than I do you, though I can't find anything to disagree with in this post, which is a bit disturbing.

Dueller 02-19-2008 10:45 PM

Well if the embargo is lifted I'm gonna get me a NAPA franchise in Havana stocking only pre-1960 GM and Ford parts.:cool:

varmint 02-19-2008 10:55 PM

in college we played a game called "chomsky". it was exactly like the kevin bacon game. only in six stages or less, you had to blame america.

castro is still in power because he is a dictator who has crushed-jailed-tortured-executed-and exiled all opposition. the entire rest of the ****ing world trades with cuba. it's economy is a shambles because it's run by a communist. and the money from the trade has been used to better oppress the people.

hope he and che enjoy the giant disembodied pig cock that will be their roommate for all eternity in hell.

Mule 02-20-2008 05:18 AM

Careful with that embargo talk guys. That was instituted by the greatest democrat of all time JFK, praise his holy name.

Mule 02-20-2008 05:22 AM

Another thing that puzzles me, the pc, Hollywood left is swinging on Castro's ***** but his whole country is driving 50's vehicles rigged to run on kerosene. What happened to the left's environmental commitment. If ya' didn't know no better, ya might get the impression that the real commitment is to communism.

legion 02-20-2008 06:16 AM

Why don't we end the embargo with Cuba?

1) Castro stole a whole bunch of U.S. property when he took over. He's yet to cut anyone he stole from a check.

2) As has already been pointed out, any money would go to oppressing the majority of Cubans and making a very small group in the government rich. I find it ironic that people who b!tch endlessly about the smallest inequities in the U.S. find this perfectly fine in Cuba.

3) Words in favor of Cuba are politically popular with the left. Actually taking action would be political suicide.

legion 02-20-2008 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3779740)
And what they do not understand is legion!

I don't think you are an expert on me either. SmileWavy

Joeaksa 02-20-2008 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 3779709)
I personally think we should have gotten over the cuban embargo decades ago. I mean we got on with Viet Nam, China and the Ruskies, why not Cuba? Answer, the flipped us the finger and got away with it in our shadow. Looking back on history, if a country like Cuba wants to be communal/communist, and a dictatorship, why the fu(k should we care? Similarly, if Hugo Chavez wants to create great social programs for his countrymen and sell us his national resources, which are a one time deal, to pay for his great social experiments, why shouldn't we take him up on the opportunity to plunder his national resources at the long term detriment of his countrymen? Same thing with the Arabs, why not use up their oil first?

Totally agree, its time that it ended, like years ago.

Mo_Gearhead 02-20-2008 06:22 AM

Cuba = Statehood
BIG OL #51!
(Coming to a theater near you ...soon)

Mule 02-20-2008 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 3780155)
Why don't we end the embargo with Cuba?

1) Castro stole a whole bunch of U.S. property when he took over. He's yet to cut anyone he stole from a check.

2) As has already been pointed out, any money would go to oppressing the majority of Cubans and making a very small group in the government rich. I find it ironic that people who b!tch endlessly about the smallest inequities in the U.S. find this perfectly fine in Cuba.

3) Words in favor of Cuba are politically popular with the left. Actually taking action would be political suicide.

Saudi Arabia did the same thing & we blow 'em. The embargo helped keep Castro in power.

Moses 02-20-2008 06:37 AM

The best way to conduct foreign policy is through trade and the inevitable cultural exchanges that accompany trade.

The Cuban trade embargo is sheer political stupidity. Lifting the embargo will be good for us and good for Cuba.

Rearden 02-20-2008 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3780199)
The best way to conduct foreign policy is through trade and the inevitable cultural exchanges that accompany trade.

The Cuban trade embargo is sheer political stupidity. Lifting the embargo will be good for us and good for Cuba.

Castro owns all the major companies (Forbes estimates his wealth to be nearly $1 billion). Trade with Cuba = Castro becomes a multi-billionaire.

Mule 02-20-2008 07:13 AM

So we're too late & I still want Cohiba Lanceros & Montechristo #2s.

Moses 02-20-2008 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rearden (Post 3780259)
Castro owns all the major companies (Forbes estimates his wealth to be nearly $1 billion). Trade with Cuba = Castro becomes a multi-billionaire.

Why should that bother us?

72doug2,2S 02-20-2008 11:15 AM

I hope Dwayne is better than Fidel.

Hawktel 02-20-2008 11:29 AM

I can't figure out why the released this information at 3:00 am.

WI wide body 02-20-2008 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3779864)
Maybe not this thread, but there would be another one just like it about some other damn place


Legion makes plenty of sense to me, and I agree with him a lot more than I do you, though I can't find anything to disagree with in this post, which is a bit disturbing.

You seem to be one very confused person!

WI wide body 02-20-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 3780160)
I don't think you are an expert on me either. SmileWavy

Since you are from my home state I'm gonna guess that you are not as confused about that word as is Tobra.;)

WI wide body 02-20-2008 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rearden (Post 3780259)
Castro owns all the major companies (Forbes estimates his wealth to be nearly $1 billion). Trade with Cuba = Castro becomes a multi-billionaire.

So what? A couple of clucks started GOOG and they could buy and sell Castro. In fact they could buy him and keep him!

We have as much business telling the Cuban people who they should have in power as we do telling the Iraqi people how to run their country.

We are a democratic republic and not some sort of imperialistic policeman of the world. That's how we got into most of the crap we find ourselves today.

Rearden 02-20-2008 12:56 PM

Internal CNN email - guidance for how to treat Castro's stepping down from power


From: Flexner, Allison
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:46 AM
To: *CNN Superdesk (TBS)
Cc: Neill, Morgan; Darlington, Shasta
Subject: Castro guidance

Some points on Castro – for adding to our anchor reads/reporting:

* Please say in our reporting that Castro stepped down in a letter he wrote to Granma (the communist party daily), as opposed to in a letter attributed to Fidel Castro. We have no reason to doubt he wrote his resignation letter, he has penned numerous articles over the past year and a half.

* Please note Fidel did bring social reforms to Cuba – namely free education and universal health care, and racial integration. in addition to being criticized for oppressing human rights and freedom of speech.

* Also the Cuban government blames a lot of Cuba’s economic problems on the US embargo, and while that has caused some difficulties, (far less so than the collapse of the Soviet Union) the bulk of Cuba’s economic problems are due to Cuba’s failed economic polices. Some analysts would say the US embargo was a benefit to Castro politically – something to blame problems on, by what the Cubans call “the imperialist,” meddling in their affairs.

* While despised by some, he is seen as a revolutionary hero, especially with leftist in Latin America, for standing up to the United States.

Any questions, please call the international desk.

Allison

Rearden 02-20-2008 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3780525)
Why should that bother us?

I choose not to empower dictators.

legion 02-20-2008 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3781055)
Since you are from my home state I'm gonna guess that you are not as confused about that word as is Tobra.;)

Quote:

And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many."
;)

varmint 02-20-2008 01:46 PM

if i see a man stealing, i have a right to interfere. if i see a man beating a woman, i have a right to interfere. if i see a dictator oppressing a country for fifty years, i have a right to interfere. i have a duty to interfere. refusing to trade with such a monster is pretty much the bare minimum.

most of the arguments for leaving castro alone sound like rationalizations for cowardice.

We have as much business telling the Cuban people who they should have in power as we do telling the Iraqi people how to run their country.

let's look at the delusion at the heart of this statement. the cuban people have never had a free election. castro imposed a one party marxist dictatorship. the only clue we really have to what the cuban people want comes from those who've managed to escape the island prison. and they want the embargo.


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