Another Police Beating Video

[Dueller]

Sorry, mule. I thought you were referring to my case. I know, I know...its not all about me

[Mule]

Good luck to you too. This is all together too common!

[Dan in Pasadena]

Dueller, you're talking about California?

Hmmm, my ex father in law (now deceased) filed what I THOUGHT was a wrongful termination suit against his former employer of over 30 years when he was terminated. Now this one has some complication because it was supposedly based upon his performance while he was head of their U.K. operation after being a highly regarded employee here in California for decades. As it turned out they hadn't given him a written performance evaluation in over three years when they let him go. They fired him at age 66 and replaced him with a man aged 42, so his attorney contended age discrimination at one point.

He "won" a huge 7 figure settlement and within a year thereafter slipped into alzheimers. As it eventually turned out, his "performance issues" were most likely the first symptoms of the disease. It eventually killed him, but his "life" was a living hell that last three years. His progression was (I guess "thankfully"?) VERY fast. He became bed ridden and eventually died of pneumonia. But he was "gone" long before that. This had been a brilliant, talented, self-taught painter, fly fisherman and WWII POW survivor.

[Dueller]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

Dueller, you're talking about California?

Hmmm, my ex father in law (now deceased) filed what I THOUGHT was a wrongful termination suit against his former employer of over 30 years when he was terminated. Now this one has some complication because it was supposedly based upon his performance while he was head of their U.K. operation after being a highly regarded employee here in California for decades. As it turned out they hadn't given him a written performance evaluation in over three years when they let him go. They fired him at age 66 and replaced him with a man aged 42, so his attorney contended age discrimination at one point.

He "won" a huge 7 figure settlement and within a year thereafter slipped into alzheimers. As it eventually turned out, his "performance issues" were most likely the first symptoms of the disease. It eventually killed him, but his "life" was a living hell that last three years. His progression was (I guess "thankfully"?) VERY fast. He became bed ridden and eventually died of pneumonia. But he was "gone" long before that. This had been a brilliant, talented, self-taught painter, fly fisherman and WWII POW survivor.

No, Mississippi...we have a long line of governors and state reps that are pro-business. Cali is a right to work state if I'm not mistaken.

[rouxroux]

Originally Posted by Mule

And the police "union" is defending the guy. Smooth!

Mule, what they are "defending" is the turning off of the tape, which is SOP after the person refuses breathalyzer testing here in SHV.

This is this officer's 4th year on the job, and the 4th "problem" he's had.

[slakjaw]

Is there sucah a thing as a good cop?

[slakjaw]

shaddup mmmm donuts are good.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by rouxroux

Mule, what they are "defending" is the turning off of the tape, which is SOP after the person refuses breathalyzer testing here in SHV.

This is this officer's 4th year on the job, and the 4th "problem" he's had.

I don't think it's SOP for a guy in a room alone with a female prisoner to turn off the tape.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

Is there sucah a thing as a good cop?

Yes there are plenty. It's to bad you even question that. They go about their business everyday. They deal with good and bad people fairly and professionally. Unfortunately, there are rarely videos of the good work that is done and even rarer for someone to compliment them and tell others of the good job that they do. In the last couple of weeks alone, we have seen several videos of bad police work, other then people talking about the local SWAT officer killed, Has there been any threads of a good police officer or good police work. Contrary to what is seen here on pelican on a regular basis. "Bad" police officers are the exception and not the rule.

[Mule]

I don't think anybody says they are the rule, but they are not very uncommon. The problem is that you almost never hear about another officer busting them. They stick together. Unless some video or observation by a citizen takes place, it can go on forever. A cop in Chatt was going into bars late & looking for drunk girls. He would approach them & tell them that he could see they were drunk & if they got in their car he would arrest them. But if they would take a walk out to his patrol car (for a quick bj) he would guarantee their safe passage home. This went on for years. Did any of the boys in blue turn him in? Absolutely not!

[MMARSH]

Opps. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/393896-other-side-coin-police-conduct-post3781513.html?posted=1#post3781513.

[slakjaw]

Originally Posted by MMARSH

Yes there are plenty. It's to bad you even question that. They go about their business everyday. They deal with good and bad people fairly and professionally. Unfortunately, there are rarely videos of the good work that is done and even rarer for someone to compliment them and tell others of the good job that they do. In the last couple of weeks alone, we have seen several videos of bad police work, other then people talking about the local SWAT officer killed, Has there been any threads of a good police officer or good police work. Contrary to what is seen here on pelican on a regular basis. "Bad" police officers are the exception and not the rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUd-6L7Jgsc

Check this out, Thats good stuff!

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by Mule

I don't think anybody says they are the rule, but they are not very uncommon. The problem is that you almost never hear about another officer busting them. They stick together. Unless some video or observation by a citizen takes place, it can go on forever. A cop in Chatt was going into bars late & looking for drunk girls. He would approach them & tell them that he could see they were drunk & if they got in their car he would arrest them. But if they would take a walk out to his patrol car (for a quick bj) he would guarantee their safe passage home. This went on for years. Did any of the boys in blue turn him in? Absolutely not!

I work in a department of over 8500 sworn officers. In my unit alone, we have over 400 people assigned. I don't have a partner, nor do most of the guys that work my department. Unless we are handling a call together or they have requested back up, I quite often don't know what they are doing anymore then they know what I'm doing. On a personal level, I don't know any cop that would tolerate that kind of behavior or conduct in that kind of activity. That being said, we have had a few officers fired on my department that did things that their peers couldn't believe and they worked with the person everyday.

All a bad cop does is make every single contact I make that much more difficult. Why would I cover up for someone who makes my job harder. I won't tolerate anybody who puts down or degrades the job that I'm trying do, and it doesn't matter to me if it's a citizen or a fellow police officer.

[slakjaw]

Originally Posted by MMARSH

I work in a department of over 8500 sworn officers. In my unit alone, we have over 400 people assigned. I don't have a partner, nor do most of the guys that work my department. Unless we are handling a call together or they have requested back up, I quite often don't know what they are doing anymore then they know what I'm doing. On a personal level, I don't know any cop that would tolerate that kind of behavior or conduct in that kind of activity. That being said, we have had a few officers fired on my department that did things that their peers couldn't believe and they worked with the person everyday.

All a bad cop does is make every single contact I make that much more difficult. Why would I cover up for someone who makes my job harder. I won't tolerate anybody who puts down or degrades the job that I'm trying do, and it doesn't matter to me if it's a citizen or a fellow police officer.

I can understand and respect that.

[jyl]

This is a logical question.

But cops do in fact cover up for other, bad cops.

So, for some reason, some officers ask themselves this question and come to a different answer.

Originally Posted by MMARSH

All a bad cop does is make every single contact I make that much more difficult. Why would I cover up for someone who makes my job harder.

[SLO-BOB]

Originally Posted by Dueller

No. Actually the city's insurance company defended him. There is no police union in this PD.
The laws protectiivng them pretty much grants immunity from civil liability so long as they are operating in the course and scope of their employment.

Trust me...its tough to win a suit against a PO.

I'm curious - why wouldn't this man be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison? Is beating the ***** out of a hand-cuffed 50+ year old woman within the scope of the job and therefore shielding him with imunity? He clearly belongs n prison with the other thugs. I'm sure they would be thrilled to meet him.

I think the laws need to be changed to address what is a growing problem - violent cops. They should be held as accountable for violence as anyone else. Using force against a criminal who is using force is, of course, a legit use of force. The above video, among many others, shows that this is a real problem that has many consequences. As I stated in another thread, it could change the way people look at police. I always taught my kids to go to the cops if they need help. Was that bad advice? I hope not. I hope that the large majority of cops do the job for the right reasons - to help people. But, it seems that a few sadistic bast*rds have found an outlet for their rage. Gotta say, anyone who did that to me or mine would get it back ten-fold - sooner or later.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by MMARSH

I work in a department of over 8500 sworn officers. In my unit alone, we have over 400 people assigned. I don't have a partner, nor do most of the guys that work my department. Unless we are handling a call together or they have requested back up, I quite often don't know what they are doing anymore then they know what I'm doing. On a personal level, I don't know any cop that would tolerate that kind of behavior or conduct in that kind of activity. That being said, we have had a few officers fired on my department that did things that their peers couldn't believe and they worked with the person everyday.

All a bad cop does is make every single contact I make that much more difficult. Why would I cover up for someone who makes my job harder. I won't tolerate anybody who puts down or degrades the job that I'm trying do, and it doesn't matter to me if it's a citizen or a fellow police officer.

So is your point that, as a rule, cops don't cover for one another? Cause if it is, I might have to go get a spare keyboard cause I could wear one out typing examples to the opposite.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by SLO-BOB

I'm curious - why wouldn't this man be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison? Is beating the ***** out of a hand-cuffed 50+ year old woman within the scope of the job and therefore shielding him with imunity? He clearly belongs n prison with the other thugs. I'm sure they would be thrilled to meet him.

I think the laws need to be changed to address what is a growing problem - violent cops. They should be held as accountable for violence as anyone else. Using force against a criminal who is using force is, of course, a legit use of force. The above video, among many others, shows that this is a real problem that has many consequences. As I stated in another thread, it could change the way people look at police. I always taught my kids to go to the cops if they need help. Was that bad advice? I hope not. I hope that the large majority of cops do the job for the right reasons - to help people. But, it seems that a few sadistic bast*rds have found an outlet for their rage. Gotta say, anyone who did that to me or mine would get it back ten-fold - sooner or later.

Not just violent cops but rogue DAs who are untouchable as well!

[rouxroux]

If you want more particulars or to see the entire tape, you can go to www.ktbs.com

[Super_Dave_D]

This one is real nice - I have not seen this one.