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MMARSH 02-24-2008 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FastCarFan (Post 3788693)
I have always enjoyed 911Rob's posts & I always thought he seemed like a really good guy. Now there is no question -- he is.


+1.

Tobra 02-24-2008 10:59 AM
Simple.

When a white male makes it.

artplumber 02-24-2008 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3789089)
Okay, that is funny.
Or stoopid.

Seriously,
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I on the other hand have and will. Yes Ive been fired, dumped, badly beaten ect. I have next to no friends but in the end I sleep at night because Ive said everything Ive ever needed to say thus far in life. When It comes to friends they come and go. My mother told me as a child "You are all you need".
sounds like a troll..

Rodsrsr 02-24-2008 11:46 AM
What I find interesting is that many of the images of Blacks posted here are of uneducated lower class Blacks, which is a subtle way of promoting the idea that all Blacks are like that. Look around corporate America and you will see quite differently. It would be like posting images of trailer park type whites with mullets to depict what white people look like. Why not post images of Oprah, Tiger Woods, Colen Powell, Condi Rice, Michael Steele, to keep it fair and balanced? Whats with all the race discussions anyway?

dd74 02-24-2008 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3789089)
Okay, that is funny.
No, it wasn't. More like shameful. Prejudiced, racist or otherwise.

dd74 02-24-2008 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3788920)
I think you have it a bit wrong.--you have there prejudice based on racism. (you could sub "big nose guy" for Chinese and it would just have prejudice)

Racism starts once one starts creating categories of race.(origins, genetic lineage.) Racism is amplified when one starts marking groups with genetically transmitted physical characteristics, for better or worse. --any trait that put one race as superior to another.



btw
Malcom X was a racist separatist.
Oprah is a racist ageist.
"Black history month" is a racist event, so is "i'm Irish day" (St Patric's)

...pretty much anyone can be allowed to be a racist of varying degree these day. tho' if you are of euro-lineage and lacking obvious genetically transmitted physical characteristics of an identifiable race, well expect to hear [scream]Racist[/scream] should you dare to note any differences. --Some people are just Waiting to be offended by you.
Oh, I see. So what you're saying is there is racism and racism light (prejudice). :rolleyes:

fintstone 02-24-2008 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3789456)
Oh, I see. So what you're saying is there is racism and racism light (prejudice). :rolleyes:
Actually, it seems that he is saying that they are two different words...with different meanings...which they are.

dd74 02-24-2008 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 3789480)
Actually, it seems that he is saying that they are two different words...with different meanings...which they are.
In society, they are not perceived differently, which cancels out whatever meaning either has.

KaptKaos 02-24-2008 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3789181)
Simple.

When a white male makes it.
That's a serious issue Tobra. We all need to be able to identify and help fix problems within our society, regardless of which sub-culture is having the issue.

Mule 02-24-2008 01:45 PM
Qwaaak, qwaaak qwaaaak!

tiwebber 02-24-2008 03:24 PM
Thanks. This has all helped a bit.

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An observation becomes racist when a broad judgment is passed on the observation that is either not true and berating and/or defined by negative emotion (true or not).
I think the above is fair. For example, I might ask "why most people in the NBA are black?". I might followup with my own answer. "I heard that it is because they have a longer achilles tendon."
  • its true that most people in the NBA are black
  • I dont have any negative emotion feelings on the subject
  • Its not my intention to berate
  • ...but it might not be true that they have a longer achilles tendon or that if they do, it makes any difference

I would suppose the followup statement could be considered a bit racist but I would suggest that it depends on your audience and might be considered careless and insensitive in some circumstances. Not racist though

WI wide body 02-24-2008 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 3788539)
Having spent countless hours in my youth playing b-ball with the "brothers", that one is inherently obvious to me :)
The NBA is definitely an area where Affirmative Action and equal representation should be applied!:D

Mule 02-24-2008 04:26 PM
Yeah, I want to see some Viet Namese representantion in the NBA!

WI wide body 02-24-2008 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 3789296)
What I find interesting is that many of the images of Blacks posted here are of uneducated lower class Blacks, which is a subtle way of promoting the idea that all Blacks are like that. Look around corporate America and you will see quite differently. It would be like posting images of trailer park type whites with mullets to depict what white people look like. Why not post images of Oprah, Tiger Woods, Colen Powell, Condi Rice, Michael Steele, to keep it fair and balanced? Whats with all the race discussions anyway?
Yeah, you are correct. I watched the Accenture Match Play event today and Tiger won the final and was so far ahead that he and Cink did not even play the final 7 holes.

I guess that means that ALL black guys can beat ALL white guys on the golf course.

That's how many of the fools here seem to use selected info or stats to generalize per their agenda.

WI wide body 02-24-2008 04:31 PM
On the other side of the coin...why are organization's such as the Black Congressional Caucus in our nations' capitol and the NCAA's Black Coaches Association allowed to exist in 2008 USA?

Just imagine if Bobby Knight had started a White Coaches Association!SmileWavy

Hugh R 02-24-2008 05:58 PM
As was posted in the Angry White Men thread last week, if someone isn't happy with where they are in life, that's not my problem. Its like when Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't Care about black people". well tell me when some black "leader" talked about the plight of poor or disadvantaged white people, or hispanics, or anyone of any race other than black?

Mule 02-24-2008 06:53 PM
Jefferson Parish had a sheriff for over 20 yrs named Harry Lee. He was a great big Chinese guy who wore a Stetson hat. There was a great video that's no longer available of his response to a bunch of black activist "preachers" who came to town to protest the shooting by a JPSO deputy of some thug committing a robbery. The line I will never forget went something like this: "I want to know where these preachers were last week when a young oriental girl who was pursuing the American dream BY WORKING, was shot down at her job by a black armed robber? I didn't see them then!" Speaks volumes doesn't it. Harry passed away a few weeks ago. RIP Harry.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203911632.jpg

Rodsrsr 02-24-2008 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3790182)
Jefferson Parish had a sheriff for over 20 yrs named Harry Lee. He was a great big Chinese guy who wore a Stetson hat. There was a great video that's no longer available of his response to a bunch of black activist "preachers" who came to town to protest the shooting by a JPSO deputy of some thug committing a robbery. The line I will never forget went something like this: "I want to know where these preachers were last week when a young oriental girl who was pursuing the American dream BY WORKING, was shot down at her job by a black armed robber? I didn't see them then!" Speaks volumes doesn't it. Harry passed away a few weeks ago. RIP Harry.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203911632.jpg

Thats kind of a mute point. That would be like saying that the ASPCA should take on child abuse. We each have the causes that we want to fight for. In the same vain, I wouldn't expect the Chinese to start rallying for the mistreatment of Hispanics, and theres nothing with them if they don't.

island911 02-24-2008 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3789503)
In society, they are not perceived differently, which cancels out whatever meaning either has.
Ah, you mean like how people merge, as synonymous, words like Morals and Ethics? You are right, much of society has an abbreviated vocabulary. (in a "living language" you're saying ignorance of the meaning changes the meaning? --interesting.) For those who want, there are distinctions of ideas/definitions which are represented by distinct words.

island911 02-24-2008 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 3790199)
Thats kind of a mute point. ....
Hear is another one, dd. "Mute point..."

Because so many make that mistake, should we conclude that "Mute" is synonymous with "Moot" ? ...dd?

Mule 02-24-2008 07:29 PM
I'm following your logic. Come fight for the rights of a thug committing an armed robbery & ignore a "minority" girl, shot down like a dog. Cool!:rolleyes:

Rodsrsr 02-24-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3790246)
I'm following your logic. Come fight for the rights of a thug committing an armed robbery & ignore a "minority" girl, shot down like a dog. Cool!:rolleyes:
What your saying is, if one fights for the rights of a particular group than he is obligated to fight for all groups. In essence looses his right to be passionate about the causes or groups with which he chooses to defend. A person cannot advocate for better treatment of small people without having to fight for all disabled and or handicapped people. Is this what you believe?

dd74 02-24-2008 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3790235)
Hear is another one, dd. "Mute point..."

Because so many make that mistake, should we conclude that "Mute" is synonymous with "Moot" ? ...dd?
The term is "moot point."

No debatable value (moot point) vs. silent, quieted, quiet, noiseless (mute). Hard to confuse one for the other.

Meanwhile...

"Hear?" "Mute?" An oxymoron for more "intensive purposes?"

Or is it intents and purposes?

Oxymoron or just moron?

island911 02-24-2008 08:56 PM
Yes, intensive purpose. I was wondering how far you would take this 'equivocation thru (mis)usage' theme. Not to_ far, apparently.;)

dd74 02-24-2008 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3790344)
Yes, intensive purpose. I was wondering how far you would take this 'equivocation thru (mis)usage' theme. Not to_ far, apparently.;)
English 101 may be in your future, professor. Either way, thanks for the "waist" of time. :rolleyes:

And yes, society does communicate via a living language, homey.

Mule 02-24-2008 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 3790318)
What your saying is, if one fights for the rights of a particular group than he is obligated to fight for all groups. In essence looses his right to be passionate about the causes or groups with which he chooses to defend. A person cannot advocate for better treatment of small people without having to fight for all disabled and or handicapped people. Is this what you believe?
Naw man, I think it makes perfect sense to get outraged when a black thug is killed in the commission of an armed robbery & and show no feelings when a non black is shot down like a dog, by a black. Is this war? Am I a racist for pointing this out?:rolleyes:

Mule 02-24-2008 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3790235)
Hear is another one, dd. "Mute point..."

Because so many make that mistake, should we conclude that "Mute" is synonymous with "Moot" ? ...dd?
I think he failed English back at Duck U.:eek:

island911 02-24-2008 09:50 PM
Suffering Succotash


...oh wait, was that the cat? Sylvester? --I flunked Toonology 101 ...even tho I studied often. ;)

billh1963 02-25-2008 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3790327)
The term is "moot point."

No debatable value (moot point) vs. silent, quieted, quiet, noiseless (mute). Hard to confuse one for the other.

Meanwhile...

"Hear?" "Mute?" An oxymoron for more "intensive purposes?"

Or is it intents and purposes?

Oxymoron or just moron?

I gave up on trying to point out these types of errors a long time ago. Unfortunately, most people have stopped reading anything more challenging than a People magazine. They hear words being used; however, they haven't seen the word spelled.

That is how we get the prevalent misuse of:

moot and mute
verses and versus
conscious and conscience
intents and intense
brake and break
disk and disc
insure and ensure

etc....you get the idea!

Tobra 02-25-2008 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3789448)
No, it wasn't. More like shameful. Prejudiced, racist or otherwise.
You don't know what neighbor hood he grew up in, perhaps he has been repeatedly assaulted without cause by people of color because of his pale complexion , and that has formed his opinions. If you are going to get beat down whether you are silent or not, you might as well speak your peace.

If Nelson Mandela were to say it and reverse the color of the players you would call it noble. I have said it before and will say it again. Freedom of speech applies to everyone but white males. If you say anything about a woman you are sexist, another race or religion you are racist.

Who and whom is the one that bothers me on the language beefs.

dd74 02-25-2008 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 3790385)
Suffering Succotash


...oh wait, was that the cat? Sylvester? --I flunked Toonology 101 ...even tho I studied often. ;)
You wouldn't believe the complexity behind Wile E. Coyote.

dd74 02-25-2008 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by billh1963 (Post 3790466)
I gave up on trying to point out these types of errors a long time ago. Unfortunately, most people have stopped reading anything more challenging than a People magazine. They hear words being used; however, they haven't seen the word spelled.

That is how we get the prevalent misuse of:

moot and mute
verses and versus
conscious and conscience
intents and intense
brake and break
disk and disc
insure and ensure

etc....you get the idea!
Yep. It's hardly worth it.

dd74 02-25-2008 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3790642)
You don't know what neighbor hood he grew up in, perhaps he has been repeatedly assaulted without cause by people of color because of his pale complexion , and that has formed his opinions. If you are going to get beat down whether you are silent or not, you might as well speak your peace.

If Nelson Mandela were to say it and reverse the color of the players you would call it noble. I have said it before and will say it again. Freedom of speech applies to everyone but white males. If you say anything about a woman you are sexist, another race or religion you are racist.

Who and whom is the one that bothers me on the language beefs.
I tend to agree with you about this.

Mule 02-26-2008 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3791069)
I tend to agree with you about this.
So he points out your hypocrisy and you "tend to" agree with him? Brilliant!

dd74 02-26-2008 09:21 AM
I tend to agree with freedom of speech tends to be reserved for everyone but white males. That has been shown time and again by late.


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