ice ages have come and gone long before man was here. we are just in the latter state now. in a millenia or two, we will probably be in another ice age. not much we can do about it...so go out and drive the hell out of your carbed, non cat cars while you can.

Sailing from Florida to California used to be several thousands of miles longer than it is today. Heck, sailing West from Europe used to be fatal.....you'd fall off the edge. Your way of thinking would not have gotten us to the Moon. Indeed, your fatalistic way of thinking could get us annihilated. They think the dinosaurs were made extinct because of climate changes brought by a large meteorite strike. It's just a matter of time. We're looking into ways of tracking, and possibly deflecting, the next big hit. Perhaps you should just tell them to let it go, since it is impossible. Some of them, thankfully, will refuse to listen to you.

afaik cold cycle comes on in a shorter time than hot cycles?


we could go into severe cold in 10 years at anytime so say the #'s.

"Fatalistic view." Wonderful way of putting it, Jim.

FWIW, Malibu, CA is a south-facing beach. Over the last ten years, the beach has eroded. Yes, you can actually see the concrete and rebar that holds up $10 million + beach houses. All that money spent, and even more spent to shore up the houses, and there's nothing to be done for them if the ocean rises.

The lesson in all this? Don't build a house where a house does not belong, namely on the Malibu beach.

AIDS is 100% preventable is a simply ignorant comment?

No, it is a 100% accurate comment. Sometimes I wonder why I bother at all with you and Jim.

You seem to have some intelligence there, so I can only presume that your failure to pick up so many obvious things must be willful, sort of like sticking your head in the sand if you don't like what you see. You respond to the throw away comments made at least partially in jest, and let the others slide, well except for the AIDS being 100% preventable thing, you are totally wrong about that.

Speaking of sand, if you are interested, those cliffside homes in Malibu are built on unstable soil, and the erosion is due to the currents that run parallel to the beach, North to South on West coast of US, South to North on the East coast. This was going on before algore "discovered" global warming or the internet

Tobra. 100% preventable, eh? From my perspective the spread of HIV can be substantially reduced through a multi-pronged strategy involving education, condoms, etc. But to be truly, mathematically, 100% prevented, humans would need to stop having sex and also stop receiving blood transfusions. I wonder whether you recognize this or not.

A particular individual, let's say a happily married man, might think he has eliminated 100% of the risk. Because he's very confident that his wife does not have, and will not contract the virus. But frankly, statistically, in reality, while he would be very confident, he would not be 100% confident.

AIDS - Tobra, you must know either dead people or people dead by marriage.

Malibu - In the years I've known the area, there has always been at least a beach. In the last five years, the beach has shrunk and not returned. If this is erosion due to currents over time (predating Al Gore), it certainly has sped up within the last decade. So you're saying it's the currents. I'm saying the currents are rising.