Really? There are NO errors of fact, transcription, translation, or anything else?

First Mike, you need to admit that man's track record is not so hot.
Full of mistakes and blunders. Never ending history of failure.

Second, admitting that 'there is a God' is too horrible for a large number of people for a variety of reasons in all walks of life. Not just science.
With that in mind, their answers will always go in another direction.

Third, what you call established fact, really isn't.
There are very few things that man knows absolutely.

I'm not trying to force you to believe anything.
If you want to learn the truth, you will. And you will be satisfied.

Going 'off topic' for a moment. Using the concept that man has the abilty to rule himself or solve his problems successfully, ( which I do not believe he does. See point 1 above ) what will the latest round of governmental hopefuls do that NO OTHER PRESIDENT or WORLD LEADER IN HISTORY HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO?


So, see, it actually all ties in together.
Man either has the ablity solve the world's problems fully or he does not.

If he can't even feed the masses, why do you believe he knows the origin of the masses?


As an aside: I was on the way home and thinking about the term being thrown around here, "intellectually dishonest".

Why not just say "stupid liar". Isn't that what you really mean? SmileWavy



KT

If there were, you wouldn't be asking me that question, you'd be pointing them out. ;)


KT

I'll admit I didn't read every post in this thread, but did any of the evolutionists ever discuss/explain why it hasn't been found anywhere else in the universe? Why only here, on Earth? I asked the same question in an earlier thread, to no avail. I think there is ample evidence that evolution exists, but I'm not entirely convinced that it is the source of life. When life is found elsewhere in any part of the vast universe, it will be compelling evidence indeed, but until then, the debate will certainly continue.

Just a couple:

2 Samuel 8:3-4 says "David smote also Hadadezer...and took from him...seven hundred horsemen..."

1 Chronicles 18:3-4 says "David smote Hadarezer...and took from him...seven thousand horsemen..."

One of those has to be an error - they can't both be correct.

Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud..." Hare do not chew cud.

The universe is vast. The little corner of our galaxy that we are able to see is incalculably small. The group of planets in our own solar system is smaller still. To draw any meaningful conclusions about conditions outside our own immediate neighborhood is impossible.

I think that's like saying "You've taken a handful of hay from the haystack. Why haven't you found the needle yet?"

Evolution is not offered as explaination as to the source of life.

Why havent we discovered life elsewhere? Gee I dont know. You'd reckon, if it were there, we'd have found it by now.

Agreed, but it is compelling that we haven't found any life out there. Nothing.

By implication, excluding creation leaves only evolution.

How do you propose to identify life in the rest of the galaxy when we can barely discern planets orbiting other stars? What is the probability of 2 solar systems close enough together having intelligent life with the ability to detect the other at the same relativistic time? Where do you propose to look?
All of the rocky planets in our solar system are dead except Earth. Mars may have had life at one time but likely no more. Our best chance is explore Mars and look for fossil evidence of life that likely existed at least several billion years ago if at all. Europa and Callisto (moons of Jupiter) may contain life but findng it would be exceptionally difficult. Enceladus is a moon of Saturn that likewise could harbor primitive life.
When most scientists talk of life on other worlds they do not imply that that life is intelligent enough to communicate with us or even advanced beyond the single cell. Remember, the earth has only supported life with sufficient technology to detect extraterrestrial signals for <100 years out of the 3+billion years that life has existed.

Yes, it’s good for the people doing the controlling, but not the people being controlled. The men at this polygamist ranch are doing quite well (by their standards), but I think I feel differently about the young girls. They are the controlled, and they are not faring so well.

This method of control worked for us for thousands of years in the form of “don’t kill or steal, or you’ll go to hell, and you just have to take that on faith.” We no longer need that control, as our governments (non-existent back then) can say “don’t kill or steal, or you’ll go to jail.” You don’t have to take that on faith, as there is ample proof of people in jail.

You might say that the earlier version (you’ll go to hell) results in less crime. You might be right, but on the other hand, the end result of that is a society like the Taliban. They might indeed have less crime than the US, but where would you rather live? Under the Taliban, or in the US?

I still think that ultimate, complete, unwavering faith is a bad thing, as the end result of that is the Taliban, the polygamist cult, David Koresh, etc.

So I guess that would include an Intelligent designer that is outside your own immediate neighborhood.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1208909820.jpg

You're hopeless. I don't know why I even give you the benefit of the doubt on occasion.

Nevermind. :mad:

Exactly. That's why I said it depends on who you are. Good for the controller, bad for the controlled.

I'd rather live in the US.


As you said in your first quote above, it's good for some people.

Hardly compelling at all. How much of the universe have we actually explored? Statistically none of if. How can that be compelling evidence that no life exists? Let's see, we haven't looked anywhere and as a result we haven't found anything, therefore nothing exists. :rolleyes:

There is also a GREAT new movie out now on how the Earth is really flat.

Then you agree, finding life anywhere else would be a serious blow to the idea of Creation? Evolution, if it is the explanation of life, should exist elsewhere, while Creation is an Earthly concept.

That is the conundrum I see. Until life is found elsewhere in the universe, Creation will remain on an equal footing with Evolution as a theory.

It's obvious you completely misunderstand the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is science's explanation for the diversity of life on Earth after life began. It says nothing about the origins of life.

The story of creation is a myth. Plain and simple. There's no such thing as "dealing a serious blow" to it. It's mythology. It's like dealing a serious blow to the god Zeus. Or to Xenu. Take your pick.