The difference here is that if you are not educated in the life sciences you have the choice of accepting evolution based on the logical presentation of evidence by the experts or confirming the information yourself by studying the relevant data and educating yourself (or attending a university).
You do not have to accept anything on blind faith with science. It is open for scrutiny and challenge. Only religion requires you to accept something on blind faith with no ability to independently verify and of course no means of challenge or falsification. It is magic after all.

Exactly! Intelligent, good looking guy there. It kind of reminds me of the Miller experiment where scientists attempted to create the basic proteins suitable for life in an attempt to show that I.D wasn't needed and this could occur on its own. Well of course the experiment was severely flawed, and the irony is that intelligent people (scientists in this case) were out to prove that intelligence wasn't needed to create life. kind of an oxymoron?

I didn't say that anywhere in my post. You're making stuff up. Or is it divine intervention?

What holocaust?

Rod must have just come home from a tent revival. :rolleyes: Really fires up those irrational beliefs...

Actually your close. I saw expelled last night, thats why I started this thread which has turned into the classic evolution vs I.D, not my intent. And I did get really fired up. I got really fired up when I head your mentor Dawkins confess a belief in Intelligent design as the precursor to the evolutionary process. The main difference was that the I.D he was referring to is "seeding" of the planet by aliens. So naturally I would just like to know from all the evolutionists out there. Since evolution never stops and we are by no means fully evolved. What will we be in lets say 100 million years from now. assuming of course that we were still around and the plant would still sustain life. Do tell, what "could" we possible evolve into given that much time?

Evolution claims to have the answers regarding the history of life except for the actual origins.

The only purpose of evolution is an alternative to God ( which would be too horrible for those who prefer no accountabilty ).

Think about it...If there is a God than you must either live by his ways or die.
If there is no God, your actions and course of conduct don't really matter do they?
Sure you say they do. You say this is offensive and all.
Explain why any conduct, good or bad, has a bearing on anything except temporary hurt feelings.


KT

I was having my lunch outside the other day.
I was chatting with another worker about some things.

We saw some bees flying around the flowers nearby.
Those bees will *never* have any concept of what humans do...Ever.


Why do you presume to limit the workings of the creator when it is beyond us to comprehend 'time indefinite' ?


KT

I'll make this even easier for you guys. If we developed to our present state from a microbe, in lets say 5-7 million years? Where do you honestly see our physical/mental development in another 5-7 million years. You can extrapolate using science or just your own beliefs. I will not require you to hold an advanced degree to answer this question. Everyone is free to participate.

Use your imagination. Evolution is not deterministic and cannot be predicted. There are many species out there that appear essentially unchanged over many millions of years (this does not mean there is no genetic change). Humans are now so populace and freely mobile that there may be little more than subtle "drift" occuring.

Why?

I don't see rodsrsr as a 'troll' at all.

He's engaging in some coversation about a subject that seems to interest him.
That's all I see.

Seems the term 'troll' is supposed to be some 'super insult' that is without recovery once it is delivered.
Silly.

Usually dished by someone who refuses to engage respectfully.
I guess they figure an insult will bolster their position somehow .


KT

This kind of prediction is best left to the magic minded who have all of the absolute answers.
Environmental changes, extinction events, random genetic changes, and self-destructive social behaviors preclude extrapolation. Again, evolution is not deterministic and is therefore not predictable. Try predicting the weather more than 1 day in advance.

Dawkins isn't my mentor. If you'd like I can list them though and you can read about their work.

What was your scientific training again? I posted my theological background.

Hey Trek, good to hear from you. Im used to it by now. The funny thing is that the I try not to engage in hurling insults at people that I disagree with and I do my best to try and add substance to the thread. I do ask tough questions and sometimes people will just say something sarcastic if they don't have a solid rebuttal. The way I see it is that the more sarcastic the response the less sure they are of their position. If one has a really good, strong rebuttal, they're not going to miss out on a chance to use it. But your right, it is pretty sill. It packs the same sting as when Bill O Rilley calls someone a pinhead.

If he says none, some or informal, then what? We've all taken courses and we all know they don't always mean a damn thing. Sometimes a little, rarely a lot. I would dare say Stein's education is nothing you could mock.

I have no scientific training beyond high school.
That doesn't matter though.

The things science presents as fact are open to change overnight.
So much for hard facts.


KT

it goes to understanding the process of science and how to think analytically.

For the record, I believe in a higher power. I have made that clear in previous threads. I don't see a disconnect with that and science and evolution. I do have an issue with rejections of peer-reviewed and time-tested work based on "a movie" and a lack of training. I think that ID is a crock, foisted on a willing populace that lacks the interest in understanding even the most basic of scientific principles.

I don't tell my mechanic how to fix my car. He doesn't tell me how to do molecular biology. But at least I'm willing to learn enough to understand the basics of internal combustion rather than proclaim, "I turn the key and a *miracle* happens!"

Fair enough and I see where you're coming from but damn if it makes you look good using such a blunt object to the head:) Should we ask for your military training in the Iraq threads? You don't comment on war and we won't tell you how to tune a guitar:D


FWIW I agree with you on the ID stuff, but I don't discount other possibilities.

When talking about evolution theory, I can mock him. He has a degree in economics, a JD and was a political speech writer. yes, I can mock him.


That's because those courses aren't science/math/engineering courses. My bio/biochem degree, and all the courses I took, mean quite a lot actually.