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Moses 04-26-2008 07:04 AM

Budget crunch! Budget crisis! Budget shortfall!!!!!

How about spending less, you dimwits?

Wickd89 04-26-2008 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 3908644)
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Why the f*ck do we need to pay for them AGAIN?

Agree....


On a different note. My wife was checking the British papers, and because of a British refinery issue + a strike, petrol in the UK is about to hit ~5 lbs/gallon!!!
Imagine: $10/gallon (yes we all know that they have a slightly different gallon but in general the same)...

scottmandue 04-26-2008 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mikester (Post 3908312)
They have been talking about this for a while; primarily through the down town corridors.

I think it's lame; Europeans do it but they have better public transport infrastructure than we do in LA. In LA people would simply be SOL and I am totally 100& against congestion pricing. It'll just make sure that rich people get where they are going. Screw the little people. If there was a good public transport infractructure in LA it wouldn't be a problem and this likely wouldn't be needed.

a$$hats the lot of them...

Agree to infinity.

pwd72s 04-26-2008 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3908952)
Budget crunch! Budget crisis! Budget shortfall!!!!!

How about spending less, you dimwits?


Agreed...there is no budget problem in government. However, there is a spending problem.

scottmandue 04-26-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 3908304)
Any remaining money would be used to establish a toll road along the 110 Freeway, Sotero said.

As I implied in my previous post I don't like the idea of toll roads... however when I had a girlfriend who lived in Encinitas for a short while I used the toll road going back and forth.

And I commute five days a week on the 110 so I would be first in line for a pass for that toll road.

Dan in Pasadena 04-26-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by djmcmath (Post 3908856)
... Am I the only one who thinks it's a cry for help?


Yes, you are.

tabs 04-26-2008 11:31 AM

FIVE YEARS AGO I brought this up. Nobody believed me then...drive free or die was the mantra. Today I get to say I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOO!!!

tabs 04-26-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3909218)
the money will be stolen by Sacramento and used to pay for for the huge school system beauracracy where only 60% of all school money actually makes it to the actual schools. No, that's not a typo.

-Wayne


I TOLD YOU SOOOOO>>>>> about the overburden of School Bureaucracy....and all those PSE vote DEMOCRAT.

tabs 04-26-2008 11:36 AM

Kalifornia is going to sink under the sea, and not from a big one on the San Andreas but from MASSIVE PUBLIC DEBT..caused by those narcisstic Liberals you Caliefornia voters keep on voting into office time after time. "AHHHH ain't this the good life here in Caliefornia..."

KaptKaos 04-26-2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3909218)
Of course as we know, the money will be stolen by Sacramento and used to pay for for the huge school system beauracracy where only 60% of all school money actually makes it to the actual schools. No, that's not a typo.

Yep, you're crazy. Years and years of state taxes on gasoline, and car registration fees have not gone to road maintenance, repair, upgrades or improvements. Those funds, which are billions, have been raided for the general fund for decades. It's not about traffic, congestion, mass transit or new roads. It's about revenue.

FYI - California, and other states are seeing a windfall from elevated gas prices because a portion of the tax is a percentage, not a flat fee per gallon. There is a combined State and local sales and use tax of 7.25 percent on top of an 18.4 cent-per-gallon Federal excise tax and an 18.0 cent-per-gallon State excise tax on gas in California.

varmint 04-26-2008 01:29 PM

a few years back me and a friend went riding about seven am on new years day. instead of heading north into the canyons, we went around the city. rolled out of hollywood, onto a deserted 101 through down town, 10 to the 405, up to the 101 again, back into hollywood. 28 miles in about twenty minutes. all the while thinking that the guys who designed the free ways were pretty smart.

but that was in the 50s. they did not expect 40 million people. and they did not expect to stop building new roads.

more busses are not going to solve the problem. and punishing attempts by the government to force me onto them is just offensive. who told them that they had the right to financialy penalize me into getting on their dumbass public transit system?

Wickd89 04-26-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3909271)
Kalifornia is going to sink under the sea, and not from a big one on the San Andreas but from MASSIVE PUBLIC DEBT..caused by those narcisstic Liberals you Caliefornia voters keep on voting into office time after time. "AHHHH ain't this the good life here in Caliefornia..."


At least there are a lot of great Pelicans to hang out with!:D

nostatic 04-26-2008 08:05 PM

first off, it talks about making the carpool lanes toll - not the whole freeway. You can still drive for free on the other lanes. Second, it sounds like you can pay to play - ie if you don't have 2 riders you can pay to use the carpool lane. Isn't that fairly capitalistic? You got the gold, you get to "break the rules."

But the tinfoil hat worry over "controlling the population through public transportation" is pretty funny. It's about money, not "control."

artplumber 04-26-2008 08:21 PM

But then they gradually eliminate the carpool portion of those accepted in the lanes until it is only pay as you go. Furthermore, they'll eliminate enough lanes to make the remaining "free" traffic heavy even in off peak periods to encourage people to use (and pay for) the toll lanes.

nostatic 04-26-2008 08:25 PM

maybe. Maybe if people would quit driving vehicles that are 5x bigger than they really needed we wouldn't have so many traffic problems.

Next time I see a Tahoe parked in a "compact" spot I'd like to smash it with a hammer. God forbid that they park further away and actually have to walk another 20'...

but that's another rant :p

artplumber 04-26-2008 09:10 PM

See the 91 between the 55 and Green River Pkwy

Porsche-O-Phile 04-27-2008 02:48 AM

This is going to beat the hell out of the car pool lanes. I guarantee the ones that use it will be all the heavy trucking places and commercial vehicles - unless they're somehow restricted. Just what we need - big heavy over-the-road trucks in ALL the lanes now.

This is a bad idea no matter how you slice it.


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