Race (Black-White) In America

[Mo_Gearhead]

I want answers about race!

Are we ever going to have a BLACK government official/politician with enough balls (boobs?) to speak the truth about the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al …and confess to us the REAL Black experience?

I pose the question now, because of the B. Obama candidacy. I have to admit, (conservative that I am) before I ever heard him speak, knew his stance on the issues, started hearing about his wife/associates, etc. …I had HOPE for the man! Hope that he (or some African American) could rise above this never ending ‘myth’ of modern black suppression and help heal this long overdue division. Turns out, he isn’t the one and maybe there never WILL be one. Where the he11 are the Bill Cosby types in politics???

OK, take your shots at the following:

EVERYONE (skin color not withstanding), all citizens of the U.S. of A. had some relatives/ancestors that went through hardships (or perhaps even died) to make this county what it is …from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, World Wars, legal immigrants, etc. And yes, the slave trade HAPPENED! Regrettable …but guess what, YOU were NEVER a slave! I never OWNED a slave! Are we EVER going to get past that???

I am fortunate that some of my ancestors died to make America what it is.
You (blacks) are fortunate that your ancestors were brought here and you are now U.S. citizens and they helped make America what it is also. We ALL are here because we stand on the shoulders of others.

Please enlighten me (us) as to why …if this country is such a terrible place to live …every suppressed Black citizen, that is being put down/held back by the ‘cracker/whitey’ isn’t scrambling to get a plane/boat ticket and get the
he11 out and return to the PARADISE that is offered by the lovely governments of Africa, Zambia, Congo, Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, etc.???

Well, gee, when it comes down to that, we really all know the answer don’t we?

Now at what point will the black community’s begin to listen to the likes of real men like Cosby? At what point will these black men/women step up? They must be out there.

We ‘crackers’ sure HOPE it happens soon.

[bell]

i'm deeply insulted over your use of the word crackers..........

[Gogar]

Typical WHITE GUY sentiment. You'll just never understand, man.

[rouxroux]

Gogar, listen to the words of Randy Newman in "Rednecks" and "Sail Away".

I know you're trying so hard to find your "special purpose" Navin.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by bell

i'm deeply insulted over your use of the word crackers..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNxZr0qzdFg&feature=related

[K. Roman]

Preach to the white men! How are you supposed to get an answer from white folk? Its because you don't want an answer, you think you already have it.
But hate me for thinking.

[nostatic]

let's see...how much money is Cosby worth?

Move along here, nothing to see...

[SlowToady]

That has precisely what to do with..what now?

Originally Posted by nostatic

let's see...how much money is Cosby worth?

Move along here, nothing to see...

[Zef]

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead

I want answers about race!

Are we ever going to have a BLACK government official/politician with enough balls (boobs?) to speak the truth about the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al …and confess to us the REAL Black experience?

I pose the question now, because of the B. Obama candidacy. I have to admit, (conservative that I am) before I ever heard him speak, knew his stance on the issues, started hearing about his wife/associates, etc. …I had HOPE for the man! Hope that he (or some African American) could rise above this never ending ‘myth’ of modern black suppression and help heal this long overdue division. Turns out, he isn’t the one and maybe there never WILL be one. Where the he11 are the Bill Cosby types in politics???

OK, take your shots at the following:

EVERYONE (skin color not withstanding), all citizens of the U.S. of A. had some relatives/ancestors that went through hardships (or perhaps even died) to make this county what it is …from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, World Wars, legal immigrants, etc. And yes, the slave trade HAPPENED! Regrettable …but guess what, YOU were NEVER a slave! I never OWNED a slave! Are we EVER going to get past that???

I am fortunate that some of my ancestors died to make America what it is.
You (blacks) are fortunate that your ancestors were brought here and you are now U.S. citizens and they helped make America what it is also. We ALL are here because we stand on the shoulders of others.

Please enlighten me (us) as to why …if this country is such a terrible place to live …every suppressed Black citizen, that is being put down/held back by the ‘cracker/whitey’ isn’t scrambling to get a plane/boat ticket and get the
he11 out and return to the PARADISE that is offered by the lovely governments of Africa, Zambia, Congo, Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, etc.???

Well, gee, when it comes down to that, we really all know the answer don’t we?

Now at what point will the black community’s begin to listen to the likes of real men like Cosby? At what point will these black men/women step up? They must be out there.

We ‘crackers’ sure HOPE it happens soon.

Now replace all the words black by white....!

[Mule]

Originally Posted by rouxroux

Gogar, listen to the words of Randy Newman in "Rednecks" and "Sail Away".

I know you're trying so hard to find your "special purpose" Navin.

May I compliment your taste in music sir? Do you mean Randy's stinging satirical indictment of the North & West? Are these the lyrics to which you refer?

Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show
With some smart ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well he may be a fool but he's our fool
If they think they're better than him they're wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that's where I made this song

We talk real funny down here
We drink too much and we laugh too loud
We're too dumb to make it in no Northern town
And we're keepin' the niggers down

We got no-necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And colleges men from LSU
Went in dumb. Come out dumb too
Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues
And they're keepin' the niggers down

CHORUS
We're rednecks, rednecks
And we don't know our ass from a hole in the ground
We're rednecks, we're rednecks
And we're keeping the niggers down

Now your northern nigger's a Negro
You see he's got his dignity
Down here we're too ignorant to realize
That the North has set the nigger free

Yes he's free to be put in a cage
In Harlem in New York City
And he's free to be put in a cage on the South-Side of Chicago
And the West-Side
And he's free to be put in a cage in Hough in Cleveland
And he's free to be put in a cage in East St. Louis
And he's free to be put in a cage in Fillmore in San Francisco
And he's free to be put in a cage in Roxbury in Boston
They're gatherin' 'em up from miles around
Keepin' the niggers down

[Mo_Gearhead]

QUOTE: "let's see...how much money is Cosby worth?

Move along here, nothing to see..."
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Well please enlighten me as to how that (money) makes one damn bit of difference in the message being given?

On the one hand we have those 'black leaders' who's constant refrain is, "It's all the white mans fault. You never can succeed here." Blah, blah, blah...

On the other hand we have a very few black individuals that say things such as, "Stay in school, get an education, stay away from gangs, RESPECT WOMEN." Blah ...blah ...blah.

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QUOTE: "Preach to the white men! How are you supposed to get an answer from white folk? Its because you don't want an answer, you think you already have it.

But hate me for thinking."
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Am I to assume there are no black 'FOLK' (your term) that respond/visit this site.

Hate? That's cute and an easy way to not answer.

But I'd rather have a legitimate response to the question. If the 'racist' USA is such a terrible place to live, why didn't they (haven't they) all fled back to the beautiful places they were torn away from?

[Mule]

Originally Posted by nostatic

let's see...how much money is Cosby worth?

Move along here, nothing to see...

Oprah makes $20 million a month & thinks she's a slave!

[sammyg2]

The only way for a minority to get elected is to tell his fellow minority members what they want to hear, and to tell the majority what they want to hear or at least tell them what they don't want to hear in a non-threatening manner.
So the answer is no.

[Mo_Gearhead]

How sad.

I've apparently touched the 'third rail' (zzzzap!) of PPOT ...Race.

So as Rev. Wright has so nicely displayed, just keep it private, let's never discuss it openly and ever try and settle anything. Carry on.

Ok, I've seen enough for now. I'm taking a boat ride to Ban Island.

(Self imposed)

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by nostatic

let's see...how much money is Cosby worth?

Move along here, nothing to see...

Oh? And Obama and Wright are blue collar workers?

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by nostatic

let's see...how much money is Cosby worth?

Move along here, nothing to see...

so if a rich black man states some facts about the black community and is wealthy he is self loathing or a sell out, nice straw man Todd, what are you going to use to prop him up?

Mr Cosby seems to genuinely care and was moved to speak by the senseless murder of his son. Seems to me he is more qualified to comment than "Reverend" Wright, but I am white and employed, so I must be a racist bigot who hates women and non-white folks.

Kurt, for an apparently intelligent person, that was quite a stupid response, disappointing that a few bright guys like you and Todd could not at least come up with something.

Dividing the country between White Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Gay Americans etc will continue as long as there are those who profit from it, Rev Wright, Ted Kennedy, Oprah, I could go on but you (hopefully) get the point.

[rouxroux]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Dividing the country between White Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Gay Americans etc will continue as long as there are those who profit from it, Rev Wright, Ted Kennedy, Oprah, I could go on but you (hopefully) get the point.

Damn divisive Republicans!

[alf]

We should be busy focusing on the solution rather then the problem. Education, hard work, save for future, nurture next generation, be part of and give back to community and all that stuff. Most Asian immigrants do that and have done well.

[rouxroux]

Originally Posted by alf

We should be busy focusing on the solution rather then the problem. Education, hard work, save for future, nurture next generation, be part of and give back to community and all that stuff. Most Asian immigrants do that and have done well.

Exactly! They have not been engrained with the "womb to the tomb" gub'mint nanny mentality that so many have become accustomed to. Also, there is such a thing as basic "self-pride". I notice there is no mindset that "the man is keeping me down" nor the "leaders" to try to reinforce the myth.

[The Gaijin]

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead

I want answers about race!

Here is a better place than most to start. The media is basically no help.