Follow up biblical question: where did Noah put the two Triceratops, two T-Rexs, two Brachiosaurs... I think you can see where I'm going with this.
May have to go back and find that evolution thread again to explain races and extinctions. Bible is missing some detail here.

I don't know about you guys, but this thread pretty much cleared up everything for me.. You'll be seeing me in church next Sunday.. Oh Sh@t,, I forgot I've got an oil leak on the P car.. well maybe next week then...

It was actually two of some kinds and seven of others. They were also confined to the ark for close to a year. He didnt have to collect the animals, the animals went to him. The animals may have been taken to different contenients by people or they may have crossed land bridges. One theory is that perhaps marsupials migrated "to" other continents. Being marsupials, they bore their young in pouches and were able to travel farther and faster than mammals that had to stop to care for their young. They were able to establish themselves in Australia before competors reached the continent. Even evolutionists say that many animals and people migrated from Asia to the Americas over a land bridge at the Bering Straits. But this is just one theory.

I thought dinos were trotting around '65 million' years ago:confused:

Why would you even suggest dinos being alive with Noah?


KT

The size of the average dinosaur was comparable to that of a chicken. For the large species like T-Rex and Brachiosaurs its more likely that they were simply very young at the time they boarded the ark.

Hold it, hold it... hold everything!!

What makes you think dinos were 'on board'? :eek:



KT

Well, if Dinosaurs were land animals, than they were originally created on day six with all the other animals. Since there was no sin or death before the curse, than the Dinosaurs could not have existed before Adam.

Animals are not effected by man's sin and they were not created to live forever.



KT

The creative days are not 24 hours long each.

They are of unknown length...

The sixth day could very well been billions of years long, with man appearing just 6,000 years ago.



KT

I believe that the entire creation was affected by the curse. God speaks of the ground producing thorns and thistles and that the animals would now fear man. Belief in millions of years undermines the Bibles teaching on death and the character of God. Genesis 1 says six times that God called the creation "good" and on day 6 when completed, everything was "very good" After the fall, man and the earth were physically changed and the ground itself was cursed (Gen 3:14-19) The whole creation now groans in bondage to corruption, waiting for the final redemption (Rom 8:19-25) when we will see the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21 & Col1:20) to a state similar to the pre-fall world, when there will be no more carnivorous behavior, no disease, suffering, or death. To accept millions of years of animal death before the creation and fall of man contradicts and destroys the Bibles teaching on death and the full redemptive work of Christ. It also makes God into a bumbling, cruel creator who uses (or cannot prevent) disease, natural disasters, and extinctions to mar his creative work, without any moral cause, but still calls it very good.

If the days of creation are millions of years, than the gospel message is undermined at its foundation because it puts death, disease, thorns, and suffering "before" the fall.

Mmm. Righteous bloodshed. The best kind. Cant wait either.

oh, this should get good...

Ofcourse there dinosaurs on the Ark, you silly.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/dinos_on_ark.asp

So, were dinosaurs on the Ark?
In Genesis 6:19–20, the Bible says that two of every sort of land vertebrate (seven of the “clean” animals) were brought by God to the Ark. Therefore, dinosaurs (land vertebrates) were represented on the Ark.

How did those huge dinosaurs fit on the Ark?
Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different “kinds” of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the Brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably “teenagers” or young adults.

Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like “kind”, Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine “kind”, so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.

According to Genesis 6:15, the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 460 x 75 x 44 feet, with a volume of about 1.52 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of 522 standard railroad stock cars (US), each of which can hold 240 sheep. By the way, only 11% of all land animals are larger than a sheep.

Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space).

[QUOTE=stuartj;3911472]Ofcourse there dinosaurs on the Ark, you silly./QUOTE]

Dinosaurs never existed. They are a hoax. God would never create such ugly creatures; so a fundamentalist who worked where I worked years ago told me. He truly believed that. Hey, we all have a right to our beliefs, no?

Shaun,

That information is given out on a 'need to know' basis only. Top class secret. Security level 7.

The Bible is very clear on this. Days are days. They have always been, and always will be, 24 hours in length. If you can post where the Bible has a different definition of days, please do so, but don't just make up the Word of God(TM) to suit your manmade theory. God frowns on that sort of thing.

Do you know how many years went by between the flood and Babel?

Shaun,

In 'God(TM)', do you mean TradeMark?

If so, pretty darn funny.

Most things in society are rooted in power, money and business. Religion too IMHO.

:D

Organized Religion is nothing more than government with the added value of fear of "God" to back it up to make people do what government wants them to do.

The Bush Admin built their case for the Iraq War with the same formula after 9/11. It works. Sadly.

Yup. Most of the usual suspects are on board.

An interesting pattern has revealed itself. Several of those who worship at the alter of Dawkins et. al. have added little, or nothing at all, to the technical body of this, a car forum. They participate in very few threads other than these various "God threads". They may be absent for days, sometimes weeks, until another "God thread" surfaces. Then it's amazing just how quickly they resurface.

One is left to wonder just how many gardening, home remodeling, model railroading, guitar, or other forums get similar attention from this lot. Nothing worthwhile to add to the various bodies of technical knowledge, but much to say (and none of it even remotely thoughtful or civil) about anyone who would dare mention God.

What an empty life. One is left to wonder just how much time and effort these put into their crusades. Surfing the net, looking for any mention of God on any sort of forum whatsoever. Beating up on some poor guy who happens to mention thoughts of his God while tying tying his flies for his next quiet day on the stream. Oh well; I guess everyone needs to feel as though they have a purpose. The Christians spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the atheists spread their Gospel of Richard Dawkins. With equal fervor and commitment.

I believe I can find that answer.
I may not have time this morning.


KT

Thank you!

Why would the creator of our universe, time, space, motion, mass, and energy be limited to a literal 24 hour day as we know it?

If you read the account in Genesis ( you should, if you are going to discuss this topic ) you'll notice that days 1-6 each had an ending.
The 7th day has not ended... If it were 24 hours in length it would have.

The entire period of the six time units or creative “days” dedicated to the preparation of planet Earth is summed up in one all-embracing “day” at Genesis 2:4: “This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.”



KT

2370 B.C.E. - year of flood.

The approximate time for the of Babel building may be drawn from the following information: Peleg lived from 2269 to 2030*B.C.E. His name meant “Division,” for “in his days the earth [that is, “earth’s population”] was divided”; Jehovah “scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth.” (Ge 10:25; 11:9) A text of Skarkalisharri, king of Agade (Accad) in patriarchal times, mentions his restoring a temple-tower at Babylon, implying that such a structure existed prior to his reign.

Within 100-300 years.
I'll spend more time on this later.

KT

Does the Bible say anything about the correct time between oil changes ( with and without track days?)

I don't think so - but you should change oil religiously.

Its plainly simple - food. Food makes you act different and look different. Fill up on stir fry and rice for a few generations and you will start turning yellow and have squinty eyes, eat taters and ham and cabbage and your skin will get pasty white and your hair will turn red, chase after them there antolopes and eat bugs and pretty soon your skin will get black...

Its all about the diet. Adam & Eve where Mexican.

it depends on how it tastes

Didn't you see the naked pix of her back in the 80's?

T-Rex tastes like Chicken.

Weekend days never last the full 24 hrs. And Mondays, ack! They seemingly go on forever. :(

I love Mexican food.

Here we go again. The bible is 100% accurate...as long as you agree that 4 corners describes a sphere and that a day is not measured by the rise & fall of the sun. Sorry KT but IMO these Lascaux paintings pretty much debunk your interpretation of Genesis. I know I know the dating methods are flawed...

Actually I don't believe that the bible sets a day as 24 hours. It says something more along the lines of "and there was evening and there was morning, the first day".

No where in there does it talk about 24 hours....I believe that notion of time came MUCH later.

Perhaps all you religious guys should talk amongst yourselves and reconcile all your differences. ;)

Jim it really doesn't matter whether religious guys agree or not. In the end the only thing that matters is the truth, which may or may not be seen in organized religion.

I do think it is a little funny that people today expected God to explain in minute detail the creation of the universe. Remember that the Bible was written by men thousands of years ago, in a time when they had the wheel, some tools and the alphabet...that's about it.

Do you really expect Genesis to read like "And thus God caused a sub-atomic fusion reaction to occur which letteth off the rays called alpha, beta and gamma. And so these rays fell upon the earth and caused the molecules in the atmosphere to speed up, thus creating warmth. And the oceans teemed with nucleic acids and simple proteins while sulfur was being reduced in the depths of the oceans...."

The creation story is an allegory which was written to make sense to the people of the time. Sheesh, it isn't that hard.

Agreed. But, it would've made for some fun viewing. I was going for the popcorn. :)

I would venture to say that Rodsrsr is out on a limb that no one else will join him on...

I would agree with you but since I'm not a tree surgeon I'm not qualified to comment...

Exactly. Here we have a clear case of men writing down the Word of God(TM): And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6

Unless the Earth rotated around it's access at a different speed when Genesis was written, a day was 24 hours back then as it is today, when morning is followed by evening, the same as it is today spanning 24 hours.

Simply put: men wrote Genesis (both unique accounts of creation) and their actual, literal experience of a day was the same as it is today, evening followed by morning.

I know this because the Earth only rotates at one speed, always has, always will.