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dewolf 04-29-2008 04:07 AM

I have a friend who works for Schlumberger as a Mining Engineer and her husband is an oil field engineer. They have lived almost everywhere. From North/South America to Dubai to Shanghai. And they are both of the opinion (well educated opinion) that we have literally hundreds of years worth of oil still left under the ground and the oceans. All this 'we are running out of oil' crap plays right into the hands of those that control the oil.

The Gaijin 04-29-2008 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3913041)

Potable fresh water will be much more important than fuel in the lifetime of practically everyone who reads this sentence.

Please explain this.:confused:

The Gaijin 04-29-2008 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 3913704)

The one good thing that is now happening is that people are FINALLY looking at alternative energy. Dammit, why didnt we go after solar, wind and nuke power 30 years ago? Some days we are very slow to learn...

We have been doing nothing but waste time with solar, wind and ethanol (and look at all the tax breaks and corporate welfare).

Nuclear power needs on going research and development. A missed opportunity.

In the mean time, how about planting a few shade trees, not driving trucks to the supermarket and not heating homes to 76 degrees in winter?

David 04-29-2008 05:18 AM

The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones, I doubt the oil age will end because we run out of oil. In the mean time, I'll keep my oil well :D.

sammyg2 04-29-2008 05:30 AM

I seem to remember GW's energy plan proposals included increased exploration and production of oil off the west coast and in uninhabitted areas of Alaska.
I alsop seem to remember the democrats in congress bowing to the enviro-wackos when they vetoed those proposals, saying no way can we drill for oil in those places.
Eventually GW caves into them and gives them what they want, ethanol.
Then, they turn around and blame GW because the price of oil shoots up along with food and everything else. Is there any wonder I feel nothing but contempt and disgust for these groups? The truth means absolutely nothing to them. Thier standard MO is to make stupid decisions that have negative ramifications and then blame the other guys for them.

Zeke 04-29-2008 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 3913083)
The earth continues to make oil, it will never run out, although they never did say we would run out of it did they? so they must agree with me.

Albeit a lot slower than we use it. I suppose someday it will become like diamonds (which are still being made, too). Get a little patch of oil and wear it. ;)

David 04-29-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3913924)
I seem to remember GW's energy plan proposals included increased exploration and production of oil off the west coast and in uninhabitted areas of Alaska.
I alsop seem to remember the democrats in congress bowing to the enviro-wackos when they vetoed those proposals, saying no way can we drill for oil in those places.
Eventually GW caves into them and gives them what they want, ethanol.
Then, they turn around and blame GW because the price of oil shoots up along with food and everything else. Is there any wonder I feel nothing but contempt and disgust for these groups? The truth means absolutely nothing to them. Thier standard MO is to make stupid decisions that have negative ramifications and then blame the other guys for them.

I'm an oil guy, but I have to side with my fellow Democrats on this one. Remember, we're supposed to use all of their oil first, then we use our oil ;)

tabs 04-29-2008 01:35 PM

Granted there is still more Oil in the ground that has been pulled out...the question is how difficult is getting at it and how expensive it will be too pull it out. The easy to get stuff is getting gone.. the history of oil production has been to extract the easy to get and move on to the next easy pickings. Leaving the harder to get stuff behind. That in a sense has keep prices down. Another question is can we keep production at this or a greater level to keep up with demand?

Moving to water, yes we can use desalination of ocean water, but at what cost. Yes moving water is costly as well....The question posed is not that we don't have water but POTABLE water...meaning clean drinkable without dieing from the after effects water. So much of the fresh water in the world has become contaminated with pollution. Also many of the aquifer's are being drawn down because of overuse.

Tobra 04-29-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Gaijin (Post 3913867)
Please explain this.:confused:

There will be far too many people and far too little fresh water. You can distill fresh from salt water, but that takes energy, which is also in limited supply. More people will create more pollution of the water we have as well. You can skip eating for a few days, can't do that with drinking water.
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Originally Posted by 911pcars (Post 3913760)
The supply of potable water is not the issue. We can produce potable water from sea water with existing technology. Most of the world is water.

The issue is getting the water where its needed; from point A to point B. Solve that and we edge closer to ending famine and a host of ills caused by famine and hunger.

Come the day we can efficiently extract energy from water will be day one when oil remains in the ground and countries begin a battle for water rights.

Sherwood

see above, distribution is an issue, supply will become more so as the world becomes more (over)populated

sammyg2 04-29-2008 02:38 PM

There's just too darned many people! Yes, I went there. :)

David 04-29-2008 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3915093)
There's just too darned many people! Yes, I went there. :)

Don't worry, bird flu or the next big disease will fix that.


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