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Woman Wakes Up After Family Says Goodbye, Tubes Pulled

(Submitted for comment. Personally, I'm not sure what to make of this. I don't doubt that it happened. Rather, I'm just thinking about what it suggests. For example it's pretty obvious that we don't know as much about death as most of us thought. As I mentioned on another thread, I was with my Dad when he passed away last month, and somewhat naturally I've been pondering the concept of death recently. This story flies in the face of what I experienced in that situation. It also suggests that some of the miracles described in the Bible may not be as far-fetched as many maintain. Certainly not common, but also not outside the realm of possibility. Hmmmm....)

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A West Virginia woman was being transferred to the Cleveland Clinic after walking the line between life and death.

Doctors are calling Val Thomas a medical miracle. They said they can't explain how she is alive.


They said Thomas suffered two heart attacks and had no brain waves for more than 17 hours. At about 1:30 a.m. Saturday, her heart stopped and she had no pulse. A respiratory machine kept her breathing and rigor mortis had set in, doctors said.

"Her skin had already started to harden and her fingers curled. Death had set in," said son Jim Thomas.

They rushed her to a West Virginia hospital. Doctors put Thomas on a special machine which induces hypothermia. The treatment involves lowering the body temperature for up to 24 hours before warming a patient up.

After that procedure, her heart stopped again.

"She had no neurological function," said Dr. Kevin Eggleston.

Her family said goodbye and doctors removed all the tubes.

However, Thomas was kept on a ventilator a little while longer as an organ donor issue was discussed.

Ten minutes later the woman woke up and started talking.

"She (nurse) said, 'I'm so sorry Mrs. Thomas.' And mom said, 'That's OK honey. That's OK," Jim Thomas said.

Val Thomas and her family strongly believe that the Lord granted them their miracle and they want everyone to know.

"I know God has something in store for me, another purpose. I don't know what it is but I'm sure he'll tell me," she said.

She was taken to the Cleveland Clinic for specialist to check her out. Doctors said amazingly she has no blockage and will be fine.

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Her family said goodbye and doctors removed all the tubes.
...oops.
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...oops.
Why??? It's not like they killed her!
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Why??? It's not like they killed her!
No brain activity for 17 hours followed by a complete recovery? Most likely the electroencephalogragh was not working properly... oops.
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They said

"Her skin had already started to harden and her fingers curled. Death had set in," said son Jim Thomas."

That is not the result of an unplugged monitor.

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Ohhh Moses go ahead blame it on a malfunction of scientific technology to detect the brain waves that were there.
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Ohhh Moses go ahead blame it on a malfunction of scientific technology to detect the brain waves that were there.
Well, on one hand it could have been a miracle that reversed rigor mortis, dissolved an entire blood stream filled with clotted blood and got it flowing again, reversed the liquefaction of brain cells and made them whole, or....

it could have been a blown electrode.

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....Her family said goodbye and doctors removed all the tubes...
DOH!

The only reason I make fun is because the outcome was joyous. I never would if it had tunred out otherwise.

I'm with Sniper (again, twice in one day?!) Its an overused expression but this one sounds like "miracle" to me. God Bless her, I hope she uses every added day to good result.
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Seems like it would be prudent to get all the facts before declaring a miracle from a news report, yes?

Regardless, it's great news that this woman is alive and it sounds like she is doing well.
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Seems like it would be prudent to get all the facts before declaring a miracle from a news report, yes?....
WHAT?! On PPOT? Get all the facts FIRST? BEFORE declaring the meaning? The outcome? The "end of the world as we know it"?

Heresy I tell you, burn the heretic
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Well, on one hand it could have been a miracle that reversed rigor mortis, dissolved an entire blood stream filled with clotted blood and got it flowing again, reversed the liquefaction of brain cells and made them whole, or....

it could have been a blown electrode.

You choose.
TSK TSK..I amnot the one claiming rigor as a proof of a miracle. Nor am I claiming a miracle. It may just have been a coincidence of something stranger than science. Science has its limits which are the bounds of todays knowledge. That predisposes that tommorows knowledge may be inclusive of the reason why the woman came back to life after being presumed dead.
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TSK TSK..I amnot the one claiming rigor as a proof of a miracle. Nor am I claiming a miracle. It may just have been a coincidence of something stranger than science. Science has its limits which are the bounds of todays knowledge. That predisposes that tommorows knowledge may be inclusive of the reason why the woman came back to life after being presumed dead.
Lots of people go into coma's and recover. Lots of people have been declared dead and recovered from that, too. Not always a simple thing to determine death.

I wouldn't be too impressed by the "cold, hard skin" or "curled fingers". You'll see that nearly every day in an acute care facility.
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No brain activity for 17 hours followed by a complete recovery? Most likely the electroencephalogragh was not working properly... oops.
"treat the patient, not the machine" was told to me early on. Still pretty wild about the hardening of the skin and curling of fingers.
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Kurt, you better watch out or we are gonna build a bridge out of you, wait, that is a witch, what do you do with a heretic, besides burn them?
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Sorry!! This is all that comes to mind and I know its really wrong. Sorry!!

*video snipped*
That is absolutely horrible and terribly . . . funny.

Forgive me for laughing, I mean no disrespect to the not quite dead.

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Well, on one hand it could have been a miracle that reversed rigor mortis, dissolved an entire blood stream filled with clotted blood and got it flowing again, reversed the liquefaction of brain cells and made them whole, or....

it could have been a blown electrode.

You choose.
She had been dead for 15 minutes with no pulse earlier as well. What kind of machine was unplugged then? If nothing else, she should have severe brain damage from 15 minutes of no air supply to the noggin.

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I'm with Sniper (again, twice in one day?!).
Another miracle?


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